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The result was no consensus. We've seen this discussion before. It's basically, We're a gazateer, so all we need is WP:V, not WP:N vs. Yeah, but I'm not even sure this is WP:V. A move to an alternate title can be discussed on the talk page. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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Not known as a settlement, Luluyah is a beach north of Khor Fakkan and not part of Sharjah but Fujairah. As a settlement, it is not notable. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:42, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep: Okay, you want to call it a beach, then edit the article that way. And we should keep it as a natural feature. I think that is wp:GEOFEAT? -- Doncram ( talk) 22:13, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay, it's a beach now. It's still unsourced and arguably not notable (it's not a big public beach, has no facilities). Your call. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 03:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I'm showing it as a well-defined settlement in Sharjah on OpenStreetMap. I can't find any sources in English to push it over the line, but copy-pasting the Arabic name into a search engine brings up a number of what appear to be UAE news sources. Someone should confirm with an Arabic search, bu it probably passes WP:GEOLAND. SportingFlyer talk 23:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Careful, now - there is a suburb of Sharjah City called Layyah and another central area called LouLoua and the difference between LouLoua and Loulayyah in Arabic is minimal/non-existent - LouLoua is Arabic for 'pearl' (Loulaya for a single pearl, also a girl's name). This here Lulayyah is supposed to be a community on the East Coast, which is where the beach in Fujairah shows up but there is no settlement recognised there by that name - the problem with an unsourced entry like this. Best.
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03:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a community called Lulayyah (Al Lou`alui`ayyah), in Sharjah, on the east coast: [1] It appears Google and OSM have different boundaries for the emirates which causes the confusion. In any case neighboring Zubarah,_Fujairah has an article, and WP:GEOLAND basically just requires verification as Wikipedia is a gazetteer, so it's a keep in my book, but the next step is to figure out where exactly this settlement is. SportingFlyer talk 07:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Careful, now - there is a suburb of Sharjah City called Layyah and another central area called LouLoua and the difference between LouLoua and Loulayyah in Arabic is minimal/non-existent - LouLoua is Arabic for 'pearl' (Loulaya for a single pearl, also a girl's name). This here Lulayyah is supposed to be a community on the East Coast, which is where the beach in Fujairah shows up but there is no settlement recognised there by that name - the problem with an unsourced entry like this. Best.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
03:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Useless uncited three-word article of dubious accuracy. Softlavender ( talk) 10:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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This book says it had a Dh 53 million harbour development. It's clearly a lot more than a beach.Spinning Spark 17:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)- I'm striking that source. It may be referring to the suburb of Sharjah mentioned above. Spinning Spark 18:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment this source confirms a village of that name. Spinning Spark 18:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I can confirm an area called LouLoua (spelled differently on road signs etc just to add to the charm) on the East Coast exists but that's OR. Is it notable? The source above is out of date, BTW - Wadi Wurrayah is now a major protected nature reserve and can't be reached at all. It used to be a popular wadi track but now is reached by tarmac road and is restricted.FWIW. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 05:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's a gazetteer, so if it's verifiable, it's typically notable. We could move the page with the redirect if there's a better name for the town. SportingFlyer talk 06:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- Appears to be locally anglicanized to "Al Luolo'aya". Move candidate? SportingFlyer talk 03:33, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. We've seen this discussion before. It's basically, We're a gazateer, so all we need is WP:V, not WP:N vs. Yeah, but I'm not even sure this is WP:V. A move to an alternate title can be discussed on the talk page. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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Not known as a settlement, Luluyah is a beach north of Khor Fakkan and not part of Sharjah but Fujairah. As a settlement, it is not notable. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:42, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep: Okay, you want to call it a beach, then edit the article that way. And we should keep it as a natural feature. I think that is wp:GEOFEAT? -- Doncram ( talk) 22:13, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay, it's a beach now. It's still unsourced and arguably not notable (it's not a big public beach, has no facilities). Your call. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 03:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I'm showing it as a well-defined settlement in Sharjah on OpenStreetMap. I can't find any sources in English to push it over the line, but copy-pasting the Arabic name into a search engine brings up a number of what appear to be UAE news sources. Someone should confirm with an Arabic search, bu it probably passes WP:GEOLAND. SportingFlyer talk 23:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Careful, now - there is a suburb of Sharjah City called Layyah and another central area called LouLoua and the difference between LouLoua and Loulayyah in Arabic is minimal/non-existent - LouLoua is Arabic for 'pearl' (Loulaya for a single pearl, also a girl's name). This here Lulayyah is supposed to be a community on the East Coast, which is where the beach in Fujairah shows up but there is no settlement recognised there by that name - the problem with an unsourced entry like this. Best.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
03:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a community called Lulayyah (Al Lou`alui`ayyah), in Sharjah, on the east coast: [1] It appears Google and OSM have different boundaries for the emirates which causes the confusion. In any case neighboring Zubarah,_Fujairah has an article, and WP:GEOLAND basically just requires verification as Wikipedia is a gazetteer, so it's a keep in my book, but the next step is to figure out where exactly this settlement is. SportingFlyer talk 07:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Careful, now - there is a suburb of Sharjah City called Layyah and another central area called LouLoua and the difference between LouLoua and Loulayyah in Arabic is minimal/non-existent - LouLoua is Arabic for 'pearl' (Loulaya for a single pearl, also a girl's name). This here Lulayyah is supposed to be a community on the East Coast, which is where the beach in Fujairah shows up but there is no settlement recognised there by that name - the problem with an unsourced entry like this. Best.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
03:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Useless uncited three-word article of dubious accuracy. Softlavender ( talk) 10:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gidonb ( talk) 13:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gidonb ( talk) 13:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep
This book says it had a Dh 53 million harbour development. It's clearly a lot more than a beach.Spinning Spark 17:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)- I'm striking that source. It may be referring to the suburb of Sharjah mentioned above. Spinning Spark 18:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment this source confirms a village of that name. Spinning Spark 18:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I can confirm an area called LouLoua (spelled differently on road signs etc just to add to the charm) on the East Coast exists but that's OR. Is it notable? The source above is out of date, BTW - Wadi Wurrayah is now a major protected nature reserve and can't be reached at all. It used to be a popular wadi track but now is reached by tarmac road and is restricted.FWIW. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 05:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's a gazetteer, so if it's verifiable, it's typically notable. We could move the page with the redirect if there's a better name for the town. SportingFlyer talk 06:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- Appears to be locally anglicanized to "Al Luolo'aya". Move candidate? SportingFlyer talk 03:33, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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