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The result was delete. I'm convinced that this was nominated too soon. However, it's been over two weeks, and of the original four main items listed when this was first nominated, three have been deleted and one was kept; that kept item has two subitems, one of which was nominated for and is still at AfD. While I'm sympathetic to the "this is dependent on the other articles" argument for keep, I don't think it convincingly holds water anymore. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 15:46, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Lists of Crayola colors
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All of the entries on the list are listcruft, and most are on AFD. I believe that most of these AFDs will end in "delete", so what use do we have for this? Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 23:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Too soon to say. If the rest get deleted at AfD (and I think that most of them will) then this should go too but lets not prejudge that. Also, should this be a list article and not a category? --
DanielRigal (
talk)
23:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. @ Lojbanist:, you really had two reasonable options here (and I'd like to hear why you didn't go either route): bundle this list together with the other lists in one AFD, or wait until those are concluded to determine whether to proceed with this one. Starting this dependent AFD separately while the others are still pending just wastes time and causes a potential mess of inconsistent results. I suggest withdraw this and then wait, but as DanielRigal said, you can't base a deletion argument on what may or may not happen in other AFDs; only on what has happened. postdlf ( talk) 23:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete cruft. Calm Omaha ( talk) 23:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Crayola is a brand and the colours are products so this essentially breaches
WP:NOTCATALOGUE. As each list entry is also in the process of AfD (and my preference is to delete all), this list of lists would end up becoming redundant.
Ajf773 (
talk)
10:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- We have no prohibition on listing products. WP:NOTCATALOGUE specifically talks about not including "product pricing or availability information", it does not say "don't have information on products at all" (nor would there be consensus for that view). postdlf ( talk) 15:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I don't see any policy-based reason for deletion here. Lists of articles make for perfectly valid list-based articles, per
WP:LIST and
WP:CLN. --
{{u| Mark viking}} { Talk}17:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Delete. As a navigation aid, I don't see this has any value beyond what we get from Category:Crayola, and there's only a few entries left anyway. On the other hand, this seems like much ado about nothing. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agree with postdlf that it is Too Soon. The other articles in that list may be deleted, but by WP:CRYSTAL, this can't be deleted until those other articles are. This should definitely be revisited in the next 2-3 months if they are deleted. However, given that this list is so short regardless of whether or not the other articles are deleted, a 2nd nomination could also have the reason Too short of a list. Redditaddict69 (talk) (cont) 04:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. I'm convinced that this was nominated too soon. However, it's been over two weeks, and of the original four main items listed when this was first nominated, three have been deleted and one was kept; that kept item has two subitems, one of which was nominated for and is still at AfD. While I'm sympathetic to the "this is dependent on the other articles" argument for keep, I don't think it convincingly holds water anymore. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 15:46, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Lists of Crayola colors
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All of the entries on the list are listcruft, and most are on AFD. I believe that most of these AFDs will end in "delete", so what use do we have for this? Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 23:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Too soon to say. If the rest get deleted at AfD (and I think that most of them will) then this should go too but lets not prejudge that. Also, should this be a list article and not a category? --
DanielRigal (
talk)
23:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. @ Lojbanist:, you really had two reasonable options here (and I'd like to hear why you didn't go either route): bundle this list together with the other lists in one AFD, or wait until those are concluded to determine whether to proceed with this one. Starting this dependent AFD separately while the others are still pending just wastes time and causes a potential mess of inconsistent results. I suggest withdraw this and then wait, but as DanielRigal said, you can't base a deletion argument on what may or may not happen in other AFDs; only on what has happened. postdlf ( talk) 23:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete cruft. Calm Omaha ( talk) 23:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Crayola is a brand and the colours are products so this essentially breaches
WP:NOTCATALOGUE. As each list entry is also in the process of AfD (and my preference is to delete all), this list of lists would end up becoming redundant.
Ajf773 (
talk)
10:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- We have no prohibition on listing products. WP:NOTCATALOGUE specifically talks about not including "product pricing or availability information", it does not say "don't have information on products at all" (nor would there be consensus for that view). postdlf ( talk) 15:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I don't see any policy-based reason for deletion here. Lists of articles make for perfectly valid list-based articles, per
WP:LIST and
WP:CLN. --
{{u| Mark viking}} { Talk}17:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Delete. As a navigation aid, I don't see this has any value beyond what we get from Category:Crayola, and there's only a few entries left anyway. On the other hand, this seems like much ado about nothing. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agree with postdlf that it is Too Soon. The other articles in that list may be deleted, but by WP:CRYSTAL, this can't be deleted until those other articles are. This should definitely be revisited in the next 2-3 months if they are deleted. However, given that this list is so short regardless of whether or not the other articles are deleted, a 2nd nomination could also have the reason Too short of a list. Redditaddict69 (talk) (cont) 04:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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