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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 23:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is not a WP:DIRECTORY of non-notable local businesses. Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Ohio better to list notable locations at the main article Missouri wine. Reywas92 Talk 22:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep, this is not a "directory". Nominator has not said which of the 7 criteria under WP:DIRECTORY this list article fails. It does not even link to the winery websites. Each entry has one or more citations, satisfying notability criteria for items in a list article. Missouri wineries are a category used in winery literature, journals, and magazines. This is not at all comparable to the situation with the Ohio article, but rather more similar to the AfD discussion on List of wineries in New Mexico, which was closed rightly as a keep. Skyerise ( talk) 23:56, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge the only five notable entries to
Missouri wine and perhaps some of the other content that may aid to article.
Ajf773 (
talk)
09:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not sure what you're talking about here.
WP:LISTN clearly states that the individual entries need not be notable if the grouping itself is notable: "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles."
Skyerise (
talk)
20:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- So far I can only see five entries with articles, four appear notable without looking into any real detail. The rest seem be be supplemented by a number of indirect publications and their notability remains unclear. The bulk of the entries are sourced by a single entry entitled "Search Wineries | MO Wine", this is where WP:NOTDIRECTORY comes into play. Wikipedia is not a business directory nor a forum for free advertising. For this reason, I feel a merge is the right outcome here and only those wineries with clear notability be mentioned. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not sure what you're talking about here.
WP:LISTN clearly states that the individual entries need not be notable if the grouping itself is notable: "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles."
Skyerise (
talk)
20:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep A list with a clearly defined scope and multiple notable entries. I'm not sure which part of WP:NOTDIRECTORY the nominator feels this falls under, but there are no telephone numbers here and this doesn't have any pricing or product info so I don't feel that WP:NOTDIRECTORY applies. NemesisAT ( talk) 20:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I deprodded this when it was prodded a few days ago, and after giving this more of a look I think the article should be kept. There are all kinds of wiki pages for lists of wineries. If this is deleted, it calls into question all of those other winery lists. This can easily become a noteworthy page (it already is IMO). -- Tautomers( T C) 00:55, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep “listy” sections in main articles are considered poor style and are discouraged. It’s better to roll out the list into a standalone list article. Montanabw (talk) 04:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep article passes WP:LISTN. Running both a deletion and merge discussion at the same time appears to violate WP:FORUMSHOPPING policy, see Talk:Missouri wine#Proposed merge of List of wineries in Missouri into Missouri wine.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:LISTN, and doesn't seem to be suitable for merging as suggested elsewhere. - Aoidh ( talk) 21:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 23:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is not a WP:DIRECTORY of non-notable local businesses. Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Ohio better to list notable locations at the main article Missouri wine. Reywas92 Talk 22:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Reywas92 Talk 22:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Reywas92 Talk 22:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, this is not a "directory". Nominator has not said which of the 7 criteria under WP:DIRECTORY this list article fails. It does not even link to the winery websites. Each entry has one or more citations, satisfying notability criteria for items in a list article. Missouri wineries are a category used in winery literature, journals, and magazines. This is not at all comparable to the situation with the Ohio article, but rather more similar to the AfD discussion on List of wineries in New Mexico, which was closed rightly as a keep. Skyerise ( talk) 23:56, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 00:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 00:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge the only five notable entries to
Missouri wine and perhaps some of the other content that may aid to article.
Ajf773 (
talk)
09:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not sure what you're talking about here.
WP:LISTN clearly states that the individual entries need not be notable if the grouping itself is notable: "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles."
Skyerise (
talk)
20:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- So far I can only see five entries with articles, four appear notable without looking into any real detail. The rest seem be be supplemented by a number of indirect publications and their notability remains unclear. The bulk of the entries are sourced by a single entry entitled "Search Wineries | MO Wine", this is where WP:NOTDIRECTORY comes into play. Wikipedia is not a business directory nor a forum for free advertising. For this reason, I feel a merge is the right outcome here and only those wineries with clear notability be mentioned. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not sure what you're talking about here.
WP:LISTN clearly states that the individual entries need not be notable if the grouping itself is notable: "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles."
Skyerise (
talk)
20:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep A list with a clearly defined scope and multiple notable entries. I'm not sure which part of WP:NOTDIRECTORY the nominator feels this falls under, but there are no telephone numbers here and this doesn't have any pricing or product info so I don't feel that WP:NOTDIRECTORY applies. NemesisAT ( talk) 20:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I deprodded this when it was prodded a few days ago, and after giving this more of a look I think the article should be kept. There are all kinds of wiki pages for lists of wineries. If this is deleted, it calls into question all of those other winery lists. This can easily become a noteworthy page (it already is IMO). -- Tautomers( T C) 00:55, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep “listy” sections in main articles are considered poor style and are discouraged. It’s better to roll out the list into a standalone list article. Montanabw (talk) 04:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep article passes WP:LISTN. Running both a deletion and merge discussion at the same time appears to violate WP:FORUMSHOPPING policy, see Talk:Missouri wine#Proposed merge of List of wineries in Missouri into Missouri wine.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:LISTN, and doesn't seem to be suitable for merging as suggested elsewhere. - Aoidh ( talk) 21:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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