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The result was delete. It is a fairly basic encyclopedic principle that the notability of a topic is determined by sources discussing it. The one keep !vote, though made in good faith, is essentially attempting an end-run around this principle. The arguments advanced in it largely could be applied to any well-defined group of topics regardless of notability, and therefore do not carry weight; the only one that is subject-specific is the assertion that the topic is encyclopedic, which is a circular argument. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:15, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
List of tallest buildings in Shreveport
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Per extensive recent consensus on these types of lists. Minimal navigational purpose given that the majority of these are redlinks unlikely to become articles, and the topic of tall buildings in Shreveport as a whole has no significant coverage. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Lists, and Louisiana. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment in fact the majority 6/10 already have articles.
Jahaza (
talk)
04:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Pardon me, miscounted. However one was actually a mislink to a Boston corporation rather than to a building in Shreveport, so it's properly 5/10. And two - Louisiana Tower and Hilton Hotel Convention Center (Shreveport) - do not appear to have significant coverage either, so will likely be deleted shortly, which would make it 3/10.
- In any case, the main concern is the lack of sourcing for the topic as a whole. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Category:Buildings and structures in Shreveport, Louisiana exist. If a list article was created to list all of the things there, the information in the columns could be merged into it. Dream Focus 05:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per (bold mine) building size is not a Wikipedia policy-based criteria and that Wikipedia lists do not require persons, places, things on lists to be individually notable. Per
WP:NLIST, "There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y")", such as this one which is well-organised.
- Wikipedia:SALAT: This list fulfills objective as it is limited in size and topic and is not trivial and is encyclopedic and related to human knowledge
- Wikipedia:LISTPURP #1: This list fulfills requirement because the list structured around a theme and is annotated.
- Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA: This list fits this criteria because listed items fit its narrow scope and are topically relevant making it encyclopedic, comprehensive (and possibly) complete.
- Wikipedia:NOTDIR#1: This list does not contravene this policy as it is not a loosely associated topic and its entries are relevant because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic.
- Wikipedia:CSC: This list fulfills this criteria explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. Djflem ( talk) 21:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- All of these arguments were advanced at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama, which closed as clear consensus to delete in 2020. I don't see the point in individually responding to them again - anyone who wants to see that done can read the previous discussion. Once again none of these arguments addresses the fact that there is clear consensus, developed over the past few years, that "tallest buildings" lists require WP:SIGCOV and must pass WP:LISTN. Interested readers can refer to this search of "tallest buildings" AfDs organized by creation date and see that over the past few years they generally all close as delete or in rare cases merge, especially for minor cities and towns. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)- The list topic does not seem to be notable. Delete. Lurking shadow ( talk) 09:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete -
WP:SALAT may describe what lists may or may not be "appropriate" but they still must demonstrate notability. As for things like
WP:LISTPURP, by my reading it actually fails that criteria; there is nothing in this list that is not present in the individual articles of the notable entries, and so its value as a list is inconsequential. While
WP:NLIST may say that there
is no present consensus for how to assess the notability
of cross-categorized lists, that does not mean that such lists are exempt from needing to show notability at all. This article fails WP:NLIST, as I could not find any sources that describe this article's subject or its entries as a group, which as the above list of previous AfDs shows, is the practical minimum expectation for these "tallest buildings" lists. - Aoidh ( talk) 19:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. It is a fairly basic encyclopedic principle that the notability of a topic is determined by sources discussing it. The one keep !vote, though made in good faith, is essentially attempting an end-run around this principle. The arguments advanced in it largely could be applied to any well-defined group of topics regardless of notability, and therefore do not carry weight; the only one that is subject-specific is the assertion that the topic is encyclopedic, which is a circular argument. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:15, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
List of tallest buildings in Shreveport
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Per extensive recent consensus on these types of lists. Minimal navigational purpose given that the majority of these are redlinks unlikely to become articles, and the topic of tall buildings in Shreveport as a whole has no significant coverage. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Lists, and Louisiana. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment in fact the majority 6/10 already have articles.
Jahaza (
talk)
04:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Pardon me, miscounted. However one was actually a mislink to a Boston corporation rather than to a building in Shreveport, so it's properly 5/10. And two - Louisiana Tower and Hilton Hotel Convention Center (Shreveport) - do not appear to have significant coverage either, so will likely be deleted shortly, which would make it 3/10.
- In any case, the main concern is the lack of sourcing for the topic as a whole. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Category:Buildings and structures in Shreveport, Louisiana exist. If a list article was created to list all of the things there, the information in the columns could be merged into it. Dream Focus 05:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per (bold mine) building size is not a Wikipedia policy-based criteria and that Wikipedia lists do not require persons, places, things on lists to be individually notable. Per
WP:NLIST, "There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y")", such as this one which is well-organised.
- Wikipedia:SALAT: This list fulfills objective as it is limited in size and topic and is not trivial and is encyclopedic and related to human knowledge
- Wikipedia:LISTPURP #1: This list fulfills requirement because the list structured around a theme and is annotated.
- Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA: This list fits this criteria because listed items fit its narrow scope and are topically relevant making it encyclopedic, comprehensive (and possibly) complete.
- Wikipedia:NOTDIR#1: This list does not contravene this policy as it is not a loosely associated topic and its entries are relevant because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic.
- Wikipedia:CSC: This list fulfills this criteria explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. Djflem ( talk) 21:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- All of these arguments were advanced at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama, which closed as clear consensus to delete in 2020. I don't see the point in individually responding to them again - anyone who wants to see that done can read the previous discussion. Once again none of these arguments addresses the fact that there is clear consensus, developed over the past few years, that "tallest buildings" lists require WP:SIGCOV and must pass WP:LISTN. Interested readers can refer to this search of "tallest buildings" AfDs organized by creation date and see that over the past few years they generally all close as delete or in rare cases merge, especially for minor cities and towns. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)- The list topic does not seem to be notable. Delete. Lurking shadow ( talk) 09:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete -
WP:SALAT may describe what lists may or may not be "appropriate" but they still must demonstrate notability. As for things like
WP:LISTPURP, by my reading it actually fails that criteria; there is nothing in this list that is not present in the individual articles of the notable entries, and so its value as a list is inconsequential. While
WP:NLIST may say that there
is no present consensus for how to assess the notability
of cross-categorized lists, that does not mean that such lists are exempt from needing to show notability at all. This article fails WP:NLIST, as I could not find any sources that describe this article's subject or its entries as a group, which as the above list of previous AfDs shows, is the practical minimum expectation for these "tallest buildings" lists. - Aoidh ( talk) 19:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.