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The result was delete. Voting is a bit split, but the relevant concern is WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and nothing offered seems offer a counter argument around this key policy. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:52, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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WP:ISNOT applies. As useful or encyclopedic as a list of actors named Robert or films with a color in the title. The places are unrelated. reddogsix ( talk) 18:21, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I de-prodded this because I thought it had potential as an addition to Category:Lists of place names, several of which likewise have a common naming characteristic but are otherwise unrelated; therefore the page was at least worth a full discussion. Also, WP:ISNOT was a rather vague accusation [1] to use in WP:PROD; it contains a bunch of guidance, so please specify which parts you think fit this page. – Fayenatic L ondon 18:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - See WP:NOTDIR reddogsix ( talk) 18:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- NOTDIR? IMHO, WP:INDISCRIMINATE is the more relevant one that we need to assess here. – Fayenatic L ondon 19:13, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- That works as well. reddogsix ( talk) 19:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- I was going to lvote delete so fast it would've made your head spin ... but a rename to List of places named after other places may work if it isn't too indiscriminate. Clarityfiend ( talk) 19:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)| lambast 00:55, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- Rename to List of places named after other places. We have tons of categories for places named after people and saints etc so this is a valid list and encyclopedic. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 14:10, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 12:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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- I have some qualms about changing the scope of this list to places named after other places. Checking some of Wikipedia's disambiguation pages, we have 36 distinct articles on places named after Paris (then add the additional difficulty of figuring out whether the namesake is Paris the city or Paris the Trojan), 39 on Manchester, 22 on Birmingham, 20 on Cairo, and many more if you check Salem and Jerusalem, Bristol or Arcadia. Is this list going to be manageable? Altamel ( talk) 02:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- How many of them can be referenced to prove they were named after their famous namesake? Clarityfiend ( talk) 11:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep it's weak by content, but toponymy often finds naming places after places with which the namer is familiar - in that sense they're not "unrelated". Moreover, one tends to find various "New" English places where the English named them rather than, say, where the Russians did. The article can be beefed up, surely, and sourced, but the topic is notable. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 21:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Places named after other places would include hills and lakes named after nearby settlements, or the reverse - this would include, for example, many of the lakes in the Lake District and several of the valleys of the Yorkshire Dales; it would also include places named after existing places nearby, such as New Moston, Walton Summit, Hawkshead Hill and many others. On the other hand, if we have place names containing "new" or equivalent, could we also have lists of place names containing any other term (such as those in List of generic forms in place names in the United Kingdom and Ireland)? Peter James ( talk) 00:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - unreferenced and unsourced, no indication that the subject is discussed anywhere, it's an WP:INDISCRIMINATE array of unconnected items. Kraxler ( talk) 17:01, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Voting is a bit split, but the relevant concern is WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and nothing offered seems offer a counter argument around this key policy. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:52, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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WP:ISNOT applies. As useful or encyclopedic as a list of actors named Robert or films with a color in the title. The places are unrelated. reddogsix ( talk) 18:21, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I de-prodded this because I thought it had potential as an addition to Category:Lists of place names, several of which likewise have a common naming characteristic but are otherwise unrelated; therefore the page was at least worth a full discussion. Also, WP:ISNOT was a rather vague accusation [1] to use in WP:PROD; it contains a bunch of guidance, so please specify which parts you think fit this page. – Fayenatic L ondon 18:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - See WP:NOTDIR reddogsix ( talk) 18:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- NOTDIR? IMHO, WP:INDISCRIMINATE is the more relevant one that we need to assess here. – Fayenatic L ondon 19:13, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- That works as well. reddogsix ( talk) 19:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- I was going to lvote delete so fast it would've made your head spin ... but a rename to List of places named after other places may work if it isn't too indiscriminate. Clarityfiend ( talk) 19:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)| lambast 00:55, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- Rename to List of places named after other places. We have tons of categories for places named after people and saints etc so this is a valid list and encyclopedic. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 14:10, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 14:10, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 12:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 12:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
- I have some qualms about changing the scope of this list to places named after other places. Checking some of Wikipedia's disambiguation pages, we have 36 distinct articles on places named after Paris (then add the additional difficulty of figuring out whether the namesake is Paris the city or Paris the Trojan), 39 on Manchester, 22 on Birmingham, 20 on Cairo, and many more if you check Salem and Jerusalem, Bristol or Arcadia. Is this list going to be manageable? Altamel ( talk) 02:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- How many of them can be referenced to prove they were named after their famous namesake? Clarityfiend ( talk) 11:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep it's weak by content, but toponymy often finds naming places after places with which the namer is familiar - in that sense they're not "unrelated". Moreover, one tends to find various "New" English places where the English named them rather than, say, where the Russians did. The article can be beefed up, surely, and sourced, but the topic is notable. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 21:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Places named after other places would include hills and lakes named after nearby settlements, or the reverse - this would include, for example, many of the lakes in the Lake District and several of the valleys of the Yorkshire Dales; it would also include places named after existing places nearby, such as New Moston, Walton Summit, Hawkshead Hill and many others. On the other hand, if we have place names containing "new" or equivalent, could we also have lists of place names containing any other term (such as those in List of generic forms in place names in the United Kingdom and Ireland)? Peter James ( talk) 00:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - unreferenced and unsourced, no indication that the subject is discussed anywhere, it's an WP:INDISCRIMINATE array of unconnected items. Kraxler ( talk) 17:01, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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