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The result was delete. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 02:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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- List of most-liked TikTok videos ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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I'm not sure if this satisfies WP:LISTN. The like counts are taken from the TikTok videos themselves, making the list entirely primary-sourced, which does not affirm notability. Additionally, none of the 23 sources in the article are about the concept of a list of the most liked TikTok videos, and a Google search finds only three sources that talk specifically about the most liked TikTok videos:
the first two of which appear to be marketing agencies. These three sources don't have much analysis on the rankings. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-subscribed YouTube Music artists. 123957a ( talk) 03:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Update I have also nominated List of most-followed Twitch channels for deletion: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-followed Twitch channels. 123957a ( talk) 12:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete I won't just C&P my !vote from the YouTube AfD, but my reasoning is similar - it's a commercial company, the data can't be independently verified and it is a dynamic dataset which is not encyclopedic. JMWt ( talk) 07:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Here are a few articles that have a list of the most-liked TikTok videos:
Seventeen,
Cosmopolitan,
Newsweek,
In the Know. There is a
Guinness World Record for the most-liked TikTok, and
plenty
of
articles about
the top video. Not to rely on
WP:OTHERSTUFF, but the other lists in this same fashion (
Instagram posts,
YouTube videos, etc.) seem to generally lack citations of listicles that list the same thing since, as mentioned before, it is a dynamic list and therefore cannot typically be attributed solely to one source or even a combination of sources because the numbers are constantly changing. Those same lists also rely on the constantly shifting like counts of posts on their respective platforms without sourcing each digit being changed. Like counts, like subscriber counts in YouTuber infoboxes, are unfortunately going to have to be primary-sourced in order to be consistently accurate.
benǝʇᴉɯ
13:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- That's not really a good argument for !keep. In fact in my opinion that's a reason why we should delete - well-meaning editors could legitimately use those sources in good faith but be spreading misinformation. Even if the sources suggest that the idea is one that is noted in RS, we are under absolutely no obligation to host the contents here. JMWt ( talk) 13:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Again, not to rely on the fact that other pages of the same nature exist, but nearly all of the "most-liked" lists have deletion discussions ( Instagram posts, YouTube videos, disliked YouTube videos) and almost all of those ended in a vote to keep based on the lists meeting WP:LISTN, and it seems we have established that there is good reason to believe this one does as well. Updating the like counts seems to fall under WP:CALC more than anything, and I think editors can exercise common sense and recognize that like counts from an older article are probably inaccurate if the bottom of the table lists a date from after its publication. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete This sort of information is difficult to verify. WP:SYNTH. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 08:27, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per
WP:SYNTHNOT:
If you consider all instances of reading a table to be SYNTH because reading a table requires "synthesizing" the entry in the table with the label of what the table is, your understanding of SYNTH is wrong.
benǝʇᴉɯ 09:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per
WP:SYNTHNOT:
- Delete listcruft per nom. Azuredivay ( talk) 15:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Tiktok can not be trusted, owned by communist China and used to manipulate people. Too many ways to manufacture likes. Dream Focus 23:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet LISTN, and it is also impossible to keep updated. QuicoleJR ( talk) 22:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 02:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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- List of most-liked TikTok videos ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
I'm not sure if this satisfies WP:LISTN. The like counts are taken from the TikTok videos themselves, making the list entirely primary-sourced, which does not affirm notability. Additionally, none of the 23 sources in the article are about the concept of a list of the most liked TikTok videos, and a Google search finds only three sources that talk specifically about the most liked TikTok videos:
the first two of which appear to be marketing agencies. These three sources don't have much analysis on the rankings. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-subscribed YouTube Music artists. 123957a ( talk) 03:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Update I have also nominated List of most-followed Twitch channels for deletion: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-followed Twitch channels. 123957a ( talk) 12:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. 123957a ( talk) 03:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I won't just C&P my !vote from the YouTube AfD, but my reasoning is similar - it's a commercial company, the data can't be independently verified and it is a dynamic dataset which is not encyclopedic. JMWt ( talk) 07:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Here are a few articles that have a list of the most-liked TikTok videos:
Seventeen,
Cosmopolitan,
Newsweek,
In the Know. There is a
Guinness World Record for the most-liked TikTok, and
plenty
of
articles about
the top video. Not to rely on
WP:OTHERSTUFF, but the other lists in this same fashion (
Instagram posts,
YouTube videos, etc.) seem to generally lack citations of listicles that list the same thing since, as mentioned before, it is a dynamic list and therefore cannot typically be attributed solely to one source or even a combination of sources because the numbers are constantly changing. Those same lists also rely on the constantly shifting like counts of posts on their respective platforms without sourcing each digit being changed. Like counts, like subscriber counts in YouTuber infoboxes, are unfortunately going to have to be primary-sourced in order to be consistently accurate.
benǝʇᴉɯ
13:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- That's not really a good argument for !keep. In fact in my opinion that's a reason why we should delete - well-meaning editors could legitimately use those sources in good faith but be spreading misinformation. Even if the sources suggest that the idea is one that is noted in RS, we are under absolutely no obligation to host the contents here. JMWt ( talk) 13:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Again, not to rely on the fact that other pages of the same nature exist, but nearly all of the "most-liked" lists have deletion discussions ( Instagram posts, YouTube videos, disliked YouTube videos) and almost all of those ended in a vote to keep based on the lists meeting WP:LISTN, and it seems we have established that there is good reason to believe this one does as well. Updating the like counts seems to fall under WP:CALC more than anything, and I think editors can exercise common sense and recognize that like counts from an older article are probably inaccurate if the bottom of the table lists a date from after its publication. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete This sort of information is difficult to verify. WP:SYNTH. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 08:27, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per
WP:SYNTHNOT:
If you consider all instances of reading a table to be SYNTH because reading a table requires "synthesizing" the entry in the table with the label of what the table is, your understanding of SYNTH is wrong.
benǝʇᴉɯ 09:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per
WP:SYNTHNOT:
- Delete listcruft per nom. Azuredivay ( talk) 15:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Tiktok can not be trusted, owned by communist China and used to manipulate people. Too many ways to manufacture likes. Dream Focus 23:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet LISTN, and it is also impossible to keep updated. QuicoleJR ( talk) 22:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.