Speedy keep as premature. Though the nominator didn't know it at the time, this article was in AfD from the end of September to well into October. Surviving articles should be left alone for a length of time before another deletion attempt. There's no clear place where the line is drawn, but it is drawn beyond mere weeks. This is to allow editors to fix things and/or to decide on an alternate solution to ensure the quality of Wikipedia's coverage of the field (both of which tend to go slow on a volunteer project, too, even when not dealing with a massive and tough article that's a part of the coverage of several dozen works.) Plus rapid renominations, "asking the other parent", would allow persistence and luck to (further) supplant the importance of article merits.
Two other things: I generally recuse myself from closing fiction deletions due to my own activity, but this was procedural (and others were consbugged about it, to be on the safe side.) A general apology for letting the discussion continue a bit after seeing it, but I'm for once confident that you'll understand I was
unavoidably
delayed. --
Kizor 06:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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This article is just a giant plot summary (see WP:NOT#PLOT) with no analysis and nothing to indicate real world notability. It is just info about characters with no real world context at all. It has been tagged for a while and shows no signs of improvement. It does not cite reliable secondary sources per WP:FICT and is cannot be cited to meet the criteria of notability established therein (A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject). Remember, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information ( WP:NOT#INFO). Additionally, I cite precedent from the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_ancient_Jedi AFD. Pilotbob 05:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply
Speedy keep as premature. Though the nominator didn't know it at the time, this article was in AfD from the end of September to well into October. Surviving articles should be left alone for a length of time before another deletion attempt. There's no clear place where the line is drawn, but it is drawn beyond mere weeks. This is to allow editors to fix things and/or to decide on an alternate solution to ensure the quality of Wikipedia's coverage of the field (both of which tend to go slow on a volunteer project, too, even when not dealing with a massive and tough article that's a part of the coverage of several dozen works.) Plus rapid renominations, "asking the other parent", would allow persistence and luck to (further) supplant the importance of article merits.
Two other things: I generally recuse myself from closing fiction deletions due to my own activity, but this was procedural (and others were consbugged about it, to be on the safe side.) A general apology for letting the discussion continue a bit after seeing it, but I'm for once confident that you'll understand I was
unavoidably
delayed. --
Kizor 06:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
reply
This article is just a giant plot summary (see WP:NOT#PLOT) with no analysis and nothing to indicate real world notability. It is just info about characters with no real world context at all. It has been tagged for a while and shows no signs of improvement. It does not cite reliable secondary sources per WP:FICT and is cannot be cited to meet the criteria of notability established therein (A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject). Remember, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information ( WP:NOT#INFO). Additionally, I cite precedent from the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_ancient_Jedi AFD. Pilotbob 05:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply