The result of the debate was DELETE. Ok, so fur numerical purposes, the following are discounted:
Additionally, Shard and Robin Johnson each have around 10 Wikipedia: space edits and I'm usually minded to numerically remove them too. Angr's actual vote is a little unclear, but given the current state of the list and the apparent lack of persuasion among other deleters (i.e. not referenced adequately for them), it sounds more like a delete. In any case, excluding all the names I mentioned so far, I get 25d-11k. Including them all I get 28d-11k (or 27d if Angr's a delete). Further, Brazilfantoo's Wikipedia: space edits are almost exclusively to this AfD and so I could discount on that basis. Given the considerable energy invested here by that editor, however, for the numerics they are counted, and it would be hard to give the debate a sound reading without taking account of what they say. Whichever way, we're numerically over two-thirds and there is lots of participation. So is there a good reason to raise the deletion threshold? Well, from reading the debate, it is illuminating that the list of 'references' that is cited twice are actually just pictures and to reach a factual conclusion from them necessarily demands interpretation. That has been demonstrated quite clearly here to fall below the standards of NPOV and NOR in the opinion of significantly many participants. The references in the article clearly haven't satisfied many people either, and they don't appear to actually deal with the individuals in the article, with one possible exception. Lacking that kind of verification, the list is evidently below WP:V too. It is also apparent that the deleters are not in the least, in a single case, persuaded by the keepers and so I do not think there has been a change of perception during the debate as sometmies happens. It is often telling when the first response to the nomination is "invalid because I don't like the reason"; you have to counter the reason, not put your fingers in your ears. I also have no time at all for the parts of the debate centering on accusations of wanton censorship: it's just such a bald assumption of bad-faith that it doesn't fly; and I know enough of Shreshth91 that I genuinely don't think s/he'd nominate any article for that reason alone. Short answer: I don't find any successfully formulated and defended reason to consider that something in the region of 70% or more is not a reasonable threshold as oftentimes used in AfD closures, and so the deletes have it. - Splash talk 01:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC) reply
This article is totally POV. Should be deleted as nonsense. It's unverifiable and is spreading unverifiable rumours. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 09:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC) reply
There are other WP:V concerns. Clinical studies always record the precise method measurement, and the state of the penis. How do we determine from the videos and images what the length actually is? Is it simply: "Oh... that's big. Ok, we can hereby claim that he's famous for being well-endowed?" That's not acceptable for an encyclopedia, IMHO. Regards encephalon 13:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC) reply
To get from [image] → [POV interpretation, eg. "XYZ is famous for a large penis but in fact his penis is not very large"] is to
Incidentally, I second the call to close this AFD soon, as it is well past the standard 5 days. I hope we won't have to spend much more time discussing this trivial topic. I have felt ridiculous writing about this here, but soldiered on out of regard and concern for Wikipedia and the profound need to maintain encyclopedic standards for our project. Finally, I would like to ask editors on this AFD to consider WP:FAITH and WP:CIVIL. Please do not suggest that your colleagues are acting as "censors," or resort to "name-calling," when they are politely pointing out problems with an article. Regards encephalon 23:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was DELETE. Ok, so fur numerical purposes, the following are discounted:
Additionally, Shard and Robin Johnson each have around 10 Wikipedia: space edits and I'm usually minded to numerically remove them too. Angr's actual vote is a little unclear, but given the current state of the list and the apparent lack of persuasion among other deleters (i.e. not referenced adequately for them), it sounds more like a delete. In any case, excluding all the names I mentioned so far, I get 25d-11k. Including them all I get 28d-11k (or 27d if Angr's a delete). Further, Brazilfantoo's Wikipedia: space edits are almost exclusively to this AfD and so I could discount on that basis. Given the considerable energy invested here by that editor, however, for the numerics they are counted, and it would be hard to give the debate a sound reading without taking account of what they say. Whichever way, we're numerically over two-thirds and there is lots of participation. So is there a good reason to raise the deletion threshold? Well, from reading the debate, it is illuminating that the list of 'references' that is cited twice are actually just pictures and to reach a factual conclusion from them necessarily demands interpretation. That has been demonstrated quite clearly here to fall below the standards of NPOV and NOR in the opinion of significantly many participants. The references in the article clearly haven't satisfied many people either, and they don't appear to actually deal with the individuals in the article, with one possible exception. Lacking that kind of verification, the list is evidently below WP:V too. It is also apparent that the deleters are not in the least, in a single case, persuaded by the keepers and so I do not think there has been a change of perception during the debate as sometmies happens. It is often telling when the first response to the nomination is "invalid because I don't like the reason"; you have to counter the reason, not put your fingers in your ears. I also have no time at all for the parts of the debate centering on accusations of wanton censorship: it's just such a bald assumption of bad-faith that it doesn't fly; and I know enough of Shreshth91 that I genuinely don't think s/he'd nominate any article for that reason alone. Short answer: I don't find any successfully formulated and defended reason to consider that something in the region of 70% or more is not a reasonable threshold as oftentimes used in AfD closures, and so the deletes have it. - Splash talk 01:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC) reply
This article is totally POV. Should be deleted as nonsense. It's unverifiable and is spreading unverifiable rumours. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 09:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC) reply
There are other WP:V concerns. Clinical studies always record the precise method measurement, and the state of the penis. How do we determine from the videos and images what the length actually is? Is it simply: "Oh... that's big. Ok, we can hereby claim that he's famous for being well-endowed?" That's not acceptable for an encyclopedia, IMHO. Regards encephalon 13:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC) reply
To get from [image] → [POV interpretation, eg. "XYZ is famous for a large penis but in fact his penis is not very large"] is to
Incidentally, I second the call to close this AFD soon, as it is well past the standard 5 days. I hope we won't have to spend much more time discussing this trivial topic. I have felt ridiculous writing about this here, but soldiered on out of regard and concern for Wikipedia and the profound need to maintain encyclopedic standards for our project. Finally, I would like to ask editors on this AFD to consider WP:FAITH and WP:CIVIL. Please do not suggest that your colleagues are acting as "censors," or resort to "name-calling," when they are politely pointing out problems with an article. Regards encephalon 23:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC) reply