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The result was keep. Needs work but in principle this is a valid list. Tone 20:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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nominating on behalf of an IP user, their reasoning is below. Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
This article is unsourced for more than ten years and looks like full of original research. I think it should be deleted.--2001:DA8:201:3512:BCE6:D095:55F1:36DE (talk) 11:03 am, Today (UTC−8)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 23:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Redirect to List of countries and territories by land borders; it's not a great target so I'm not opposed to a keep. The IP's concerns are valid, but with cleanup to add links to articles like Austria–Switzerland border this may be a feasible article topic. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 23:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Weak keep I'm not sure whether this is WP:OR or not. I think it can definitely be sourced, though - I even have a book in storage about the geography of borders I'll have to take a look at. SportingFlyer talk 23:59, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep IP user lacks specific, detailed reasoning, only his minimal "thought." Jeff in CA ( talk) 04:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NLIST as a notable topic that can easily be referenced, regards Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- How can individual entries be referenced? We can have maps, but we don't know whether they describes the same border. Also I don't think there will be any defined borders in 1st millennium BC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:DA8:201:3512:F456:DF2E:A195:48D8 ( talk) 01:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep passes notability test. Sources can be added and the article can be cleaned up which is WP:ATD. JC7V -constructive zone 01:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TNT, with no prejudice against re-creation by someone who is willing to source it. Editors have a right to challenge unsourced material, and the burden is on the person wishing to keep the information to source it. The IP has challenged the entire list, and I support that challenge. Sourcing this list is welcome, but we should not have a massive collection of may-or-may-not-be true statements, possibly OR, sitting in mainspace forever. It will be forever, by the way, because finding a source saying "X established these countries' current borders" for every entry in this list is going to be hundreds if not thousands of hours work, and since we're all volunteers, none of us have that much time. We're just not going to do it. — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 01:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Needs work but in principle this is a valid list. Tone 20:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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- List of land borders with dates of establishment ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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nominating on behalf of an IP user, their reasoning is below. Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
This article is unsourced for more than ten years and looks like full of original research. I think it should be deleted.--2001:DA8:201:3512:BCE6:D095:55F1:36DE (talk) 11:03 am, Today (UTC−8)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 23:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Redirect to List of countries and territories by land borders; it's not a great target so I'm not opposed to a keep. The IP's concerns are valid, but with cleanup to add links to articles like Austria–Switzerland border this may be a feasible article topic. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 23:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Weak keep I'm not sure whether this is WP:OR or not. I think it can definitely be sourced, though - I even have a book in storage about the geography of borders I'll have to take a look at. SportingFlyer talk 23:59, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep IP user lacks specific, detailed reasoning, only his minimal "thought." Jeff in CA ( talk) 04:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NLIST as a notable topic that can easily be referenced, regards Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- How can individual entries be referenced? We can have maps, but we don't know whether they describes the same border. Also I don't think there will be any defined borders in 1st millennium BC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:DA8:201:3512:F456:DF2E:A195:48D8 ( talk) 01:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep passes notability test. Sources can be added and the article can be cleaned up which is WP:ATD. JC7V -constructive zone 01:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TNT, with no prejudice against re-creation by someone who is willing to source it. Editors have a right to challenge unsourced material, and the burden is on the person wishing to keep the information to source it. The IP has challenged the entire list, and I support that challenge. Sourcing this list is welcome, but we should not have a massive collection of may-or-may-not-be true statements, possibly OR, sitting in mainspace forever. It will be forever, by the way, because finding a source saying "X established these countries' current borders" for every entry in this list is going to be hundreds if not thousands of hours work, and since we're all volunteers, none of us have that much time. We're just not going to do it. — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 01:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
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