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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn. Further discussion on related pages required. ( non-admin closure)‎ Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 17:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC) reply

List of cities, boroughs and towns in the Republic of Ireland (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)

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There are two parts to this page. In the first instance, there's the descriptive part, which recounts the administrative history of the former administrative areas of cities, boroughs and towns. This information is separately at Town councils in the Republic of Ireland (which also includes the five municipal boroughs) and City status in Ireland. The second part is the table, which substantially covers information at List of urban areas in the Republic of Ireland/2011 census, being the more recent information before the abolition of most of these areas as separate entities. While we should of course ensure that all relevant information (such as the map) is copied and properly attributed, maintaining this separate page doesn't seem useful in the post-2014 world. It would be worth getting Jnestorius's views though as one of the more substantial contributors to this particular page, and to related pages. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 10:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 10:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Lists. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC) reply

• Comment I'd be more inclined to merge Town councils in the Republic of Ireland into List of cities, boroughs and towns in the Republic of Ireland than vice versa; the latter covers 1899–2014, the former only covers 2001–2014 and excludes cities. It's misleading to say the list "substantially covers information at List of urban areas in the Republic of Ireland/2011 census" — the latter only has the metropolitan area/pop, not the municipal area/pop or electoral pop. Maybe History of urban government in the Republic of Ireland would be a snappier title. Certainly the 2006 and %change columns can go — personally I don't favour such trivia even for non-obsolete administrative units —; OTOH 1901 area/pop might usefully be added. Councils dissolved before 2001 ( Pembroke Township, Dún Laoghaire Borough, Callan, Roscommon, etc) should also be added to the table. The map should distinguish town commissioners from urban districts, and note places which switched class, like Granard (1944) and Galway (1937, 1985). jnestorius^{( talk)} 01:28, 30 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  Thank you for your thoughts, that could be a good way to organise these. I've been thinking for a while about how best to organise these. The greater the distance from 2014, or from 2002, the more the town councils that existed in that latter period are similarly historic, in the same way as Pembroke Township or Dún Laoghaire. There could be something in listing the first recorded population after their and at the last census before their abolition. For example, I had created a page Urban and rural districts (Ireland), copying material previously on the equivalent Great Britain and Ireland page. There could be something though in your suggestion of a History of urban government in the Republic of Ireland, which would cover all of these, at least in the post-1922 period. There's no pressing urgency about this discussion, so I could bring this to WT:IE to consider the best way of organising pages on the narrative history of sub-county units, and a list of such units. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 12:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  I'm minded to withdraw this discussion, to take time to think through a more considered set of proposals at WT:IE on the history of urban government in Ireland, though possibly in a few weeks. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 17:10, 30 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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