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The result was redirect to Provinces of Thailand. Randykitty ( talk) 14:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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There is no such thing as the concept of a province "capital" in Thailand. Originally, this listed the towns/cities the provinces were named after (and which served as the seat of the provincial offices), but as the offices of some provinces have moved location, this has morphed into an WP:OR listing of municipalities in which the offices are located, labelling them as "capitals" where no reliable source does. It's absurd to say Ban Tom is the capital of Phayao Province and Bang Rin of Ranong. Paul_012 ( talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC) See also Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 May 14#Template:Capitals of provinces of Thailand. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 05:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Paul_012 ( talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep for now, at least procedurally. For instance, searching "Phetchaburi" "capital" brings up a number of sources which cite it as a provincial capital. For instance,
[1] lists several regional cities as capitals. The infobox for each province lists a capital as well. If we take the nom at face value, there's going to be a fair bit of cleanup required, but considering there's evidence of provincial "capital"s existing in English, I think this list is valid until otherwise shown.
SportingFlyer
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06:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I expect all of them to be informal uses by sources which can't be considered reliable for supporting such claims, per
WP:RSCONTEXT. In general settings, it wouldn't be unnatural to refer to the namesake town of each province as its capital, even if technically inaccurate. But can you find any source (that didn't copy the info from Wikipedia) that says Ayothaya, Ban Tom, Bang Rin, Chaeramae, Chai Sathan, Khelang Nakhon, Mai Khet, Non Nam Thaeng, Nong Pling, Sadiang, Sanam Chai, Sukhothai Thani, and Thanon Khat are the capitals of their respective provinces? --
Paul_012 (
talk) 06:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC) PS Yes, I expect a major clean-up operation for all provinces will be needed. These concerns were raised in previous discussions at
Talk:Provinces of Thailand#Province capitals and
Talk:List of capitals in Thailand#Untitled --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- It honestly looks incorrect/vandalised as opposed to non-notable. None of those cities/towns actually appear to be capitals of the province, if they exist at all.
SportingFlyer
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06:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- They are the municipalities where the provincial halls are physically located, so no, not vandalised, but "updated". The problem is that there is no official designation of what constitutes a "capital", so following the most basic definition—the town or city where the province's seat of government is located—will inevitably constitute original research as seen here. --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly, I have no idea why this would be original research. The concept of a "provincial capital" is clearly noted in English-language sources over time, such as [2]. CNN, a reliable source, says the provincial capitals and provinces share names [3]. It's pretty clear this isn't actually a list of capitals, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't a list somewhere noting where all the provincial halls were, if not in the namesake city, which would also constitute renaming the article. SportingFlyer T· C 05:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- They are the municipalities where the provincial halls are physically located, so no, not vandalised, but "updated". The problem is that there is no official designation of what constitutes a "capital", so following the most basic definition—the town or city where the province's seat of government is located—will inevitably constitute original research as seen here. --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- It honestly looks incorrect/vandalised as opposed to non-notable. None of those cities/towns actually appear to be capitals of the province, if they exist at all.
SportingFlyer
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C
06:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I expect all of them to be informal uses by sources which can't be considered reliable for supporting such claims, per
WP:RSCONTEXT. In general settings, it wouldn't be unnatural to refer to the namesake town of each province as its capital, even if technically inaccurate. But can you find any source (that didn't copy the info from Wikipedia) that says Ayothaya, Ban Tom, Bang Rin, Chaeramae, Chai Sathan, Khelang Nakhon, Mai Khet, Non Nam Thaeng, Nong Pling, Sadiang, Sanam Chai, Sukhothai Thani, and Thanon Khat are the capitals of their respective provinces? --
Paul_012 (
talk) 06:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC) PS Yes, I expect a major clean-up operation for all provinces will be needed. These concerns were raised in previous discussions at
Talk:Provinces of Thailand#Province capitals and
Talk:List of capitals in Thailand#Untitled --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Provinces of Thailand which already contains the capitals for each province. The rest of the content is unsourced and probably original research.
Ajf773 (
talk)
07:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Redirecting also seems a plausible solution; this list is redundant and, even if the information is retained, does not warrant a separate article. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 15:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Provinces of Thailand. Randykitty ( talk) 14:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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There is no such thing as the concept of a province "capital" in Thailand. Originally, this listed the towns/cities the provinces were named after (and which served as the seat of the provincial offices), but as the offices of some provinces have moved location, this has morphed into an WP:OR listing of municipalities in which the offices are located, labelling them as "capitals" where no reliable source does. It's absurd to say Ban Tom is the capital of Phayao Province and Bang Rin of Ranong. Paul_012 ( talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC) See also Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 May 14#Template:Capitals of provinces of Thailand. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 05:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Paul_012 ( talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Paul_012 ( talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. 94rain Talk 05:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep for now, at least procedurally. For instance, searching "Phetchaburi" "capital" brings up a number of sources which cite it as a provincial capital. For instance,
[1] lists several regional cities as capitals. The infobox for each province lists a capital as well. If we take the nom at face value, there's going to be a fair bit of cleanup required, but considering there's evidence of provincial "capital"s existing in English, I think this list is valid until otherwise shown.
SportingFlyer
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C
06:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I expect all of them to be informal uses by sources which can't be considered reliable for supporting such claims, per
WP:RSCONTEXT. In general settings, it wouldn't be unnatural to refer to the namesake town of each province as its capital, even if technically inaccurate. But can you find any source (that didn't copy the info from Wikipedia) that says Ayothaya, Ban Tom, Bang Rin, Chaeramae, Chai Sathan, Khelang Nakhon, Mai Khet, Non Nam Thaeng, Nong Pling, Sadiang, Sanam Chai, Sukhothai Thani, and Thanon Khat are the capitals of their respective provinces? --
Paul_012 (
talk) 06:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC) PS Yes, I expect a major clean-up operation for all provinces will be needed. These concerns were raised in previous discussions at
Talk:Provinces of Thailand#Province capitals and
Talk:List of capitals in Thailand#Untitled --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- It honestly looks incorrect/vandalised as opposed to non-notable. None of those cities/towns actually appear to be capitals of the province, if they exist at all.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
06:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- They are the municipalities where the provincial halls are physically located, so no, not vandalised, but "updated". The problem is that there is no official designation of what constitutes a "capital", so following the most basic definition—the town or city where the province's seat of government is located—will inevitably constitute original research as seen here. --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly, I have no idea why this would be original research. The concept of a "provincial capital" is clearly noted in English-language sources over time, such as [2]. CNN, a reliable source, says the provincial capitals and provinces share names [3]. It's pretty clear this isn't actually a list of capitals, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't a list somewhere noting where all the provincial halls were, if not in the namesake city, which would also constitute renaming the article. SportingFlyer T· C 05:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- They are the municipalities where the provincial halls are physically located, so no, not vandalised, but "updated". The problem is that there is no official designation of what constitutes a "capital", so following the most basic definition—the town or city where the province's seat of government is located—will inevitably constitute original research as seen here. --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- It honestly looks incorrect/vandalised as opposed to non-notable. None of those cities/towns actually appear to be capitals of the province, if they exist at all.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
06:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I expect all of them to be informal uses by sources which can't be considered reliable for supporting such claims, per
WP:RSCONTEXT. In general settings, it wouldn't be unnatural to refer to the namesake town of each province as its capital, even if technically inaccurate. But can you find any source (that didn't copy the info from Wikipedia) that says Ayothaya, Ban Tom, Bang Rin, Chaeramae, Chai Sathan, Khelang Nakhon, Mai Khet, Non Nam Thaeng, Nong Pling, Sadiang, Sanam Chai, Sukhothai Thani, and Thanon Khat are the capitals of their respective provinces? --
Paul_012 (
talk) 06:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC) PS Yes, I expect a major clean-up operation for all provinces will be needed. These concerns were raised in previous discussions at
Talk:Provinces of Thailand#Province capitals and
Talk:List of capitals in Thailand#Untitled --
Paul_012 (
talk)
06:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Provinces of Thailand which already contains the capitals for each province. The rest of the content is unsourced and probably original research.
Ajf773 (
talk)
07:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Redirecting also seems a plausible solution; this list is redundant and, even if the information is retained, does not warrant a separate article. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 15:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.