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The result was merge to Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport. Merge and redirect as an WP:Alternative to deletion. Missvain ( talk) 03:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
List of bus routes in Mumbai
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WP:NOTDIR. No evidence of importance or notability of any of these routes. Article went to PROD but removed with "Of course we should list bus routes in one of the worlds major cities - use a bit of common sense" ... well no, notability is not inherent Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Neutral:
(from Delete see below Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)): In the end current transport/routes are better left to transportation websites; Wikipedia will tend to lag these and simply be a maintenance drag. If a Mumbai bus article covered generically the cited development of bus services in Mumbai then that would be a far different matter. Thankyou. 12:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark ( talk • contribs) - Delete as per WP:NOTDIR. Onel5969 TT me 19:27, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- This nomination and the "delete" votes following it seem to indicate that Wikipedia has been taken over by people with no common sense whatsoever. There are loads of sources that show that this passes WP:NLIST, such as those found by Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and many other searches. Is none of you capable of spending a minute or two actually helping to build this encyclopedia by looking for such sources rather than giving ignorant "delete" opinions? Notability guidelines are there to help decide non-obvious cases, not obvious ones like this. Phil Bridger ( talk) 20:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Happy to be corrected if you can actually prove notability, rather than just say it might be. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- I did with the search results that I linked. Phil Bridger ( talk) 17:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Twitter is not a source. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Who said anything about Twitter? Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- One of the only two sources is from Twitter. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- This conversation is about the sources that I linked above, not those in the article. Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- You linked a search result, no actual sources. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- And the search results link to actual sources. I was working on the assumption that you were here to help build an encyclopedia, rather than pass judgement on others' failure to jump through hoops. Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:49, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, but articles like this are not encyclopedic, refering to my original reasoning for creating the AfD. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Loads of sources? this article only has two! My vote is Merge with Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport Most transit agencies either have lists of bus routes as articles, or sections of articles. I can't find anywhere in WP:NOTDIR that says we can't list bus routes. That said, on WP:GNG grounds, I cannot vote to keep this article. Caleb M1 ( talk) 21:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, loads of sources. AfD discussions are supposed to be about the sources that exist, not just those that are currently cited in the article. Phil Bridger ( talk) 21:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. As for the lack of common sense mentioned above with regards to the deletion, I would only say that Wikipedia standards have changed. Not sure if it is for bad or good. ArvindPalaskar ( talk) 04:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 22:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Thoughts on merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 22:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: To re-inforce my !vote above redirect or merge inappropriate here ... its just not the right sort of title to redirect. If where was a merge it should be honked under the talk page to keep the old attribution. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- And nobody has mentioned a redirect target yet. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ajf773 To be fair Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport was mentioned on a target at rev. 1023179268, by Caleb M1 albeit as a shout (which I ignore) rather than a !vote. Anyway I'm done with nom. badgering so I'm striking my !keep vote an recusing to neutral. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Based on WP:NOTDIR, I do not believe this article is suitable for a merger or redirect. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport. Djflem ( talk) 19:07, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per PhilBridger and his new sources. —— Serial 12:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- What new sources? Ajf773 ( talk) 09:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport. Merge and redirect as an WP:Alternative to deletion. Missvain ( talk) 03:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
List of bus routes in Mumbai
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WP:NOTDIR. No evidence of importance or notability of any of these routes. Article went to PROD but removed with "Of course we should list bus routes in one of the worlds major cities - use a bit of common sense" ... well no, notability is not inherent Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral:
(from Delete see below Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)): In the end current transport/routes are better left to transportation websites; Wikipedia will tend to lag these and simply be a maintenance drag. If a Mumbai bus article covered generically the cited development of bus services in Mumbai then that would be a far different matter. Thankyou. 12:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark ( talk • contribs) - Delete as per WP:NOTDIR. Onel5969 TT me 19:27, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- This nomination and the "delete" votes following it seem to indicate that Wikipedia has been taken over by people with no common sense whatsoever. There are loads of sources that show that this passes WP:NLIST, such as those found by Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and many other searches. Is none of you capable of spending a minute or two actually helping to build this encyclopedia by looking for such sources rather than giving ignorant "delete" opinions? Notability guidelines are there to help decide non-obvious cases, not obvious ones like this. Phil Bridger ( talk) 20:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Happy to be corrected if you can actually prove notability, rather than just say it might be. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- I did with the search results that I linked. Phil Bridger ( talk) 17:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Twitter is not a source. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Who said anything about Twitter? Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- One of the only two sources is from Twitter. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- This conversation is about the sources that I linked above, not those in the article. Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- You linked a search result, no actual sources. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- And the search results link to actual sources. I was working on the assumption that you were here to help build an encyclopedia, rather than pass judgement on others' failure to jump through hoops. Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:49, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, but articles like this are not encyclopedic, refering to my original reasoning for creating the AfD. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Loads of sources? this article only has two! My vote is Merge with Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport Most transit agencies either have lists of bus routes as articles, or sections of articles. I can't find anywhere in WP:NOTDIR that says we can't list bus routes. That said, on WP:GNG grounds, I cannot vote to keep this article. Caleb M1 ( talk) 21:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, loads of sources. AfD discussions are supposed to be about the sources that exist, not just those that are currently cited in the article. Phil Bridger ( talk) 21:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. As for the lack of common sense mentioned above with regards to the deletion, I would only say that Wikipedia standards have changed. Not sure if it is for bad or good. ArvindPalaskar ( talk) 04:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 22:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Thoughts on merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 22:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: To re-inforce my !vote above redirect or merge inappropriate here ... its just not the right sort of title to redirect. If where was a merge it should be honked under the talk page to keep the old attribution. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- And nobody has mentioned a redirect target yet. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ajf773 To be fair Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport was mentioned on a target at rev. 1023179268, by Caleb M1 albeit as a shout (which I ignore) rather than a !vote. Anyway I'm done with nom. badgering so I'm striking my !keep vote an recusing to neutral. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Based on WP:NOTDIR, I do not believe this article is suitable for a merger or redirect. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport. Djflem ( talk) 19:07, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per PhilBridger and his new sources. —— Serial 12:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- What new sources? Ajf773 ( talk) 09:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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