- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. postdlf ( talk) 13:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- List of Seinfeld DVD releases ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Article exists solely to list DVD contents and fails WP:GNG, lacking significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Seinfeld#DVD releases already exists. And "Easter Egg" section completely fails WP:NOTGUIDE, as it instructs readers how to find content. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 21:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
KEEP - A few quick searches reveal that there are numerous DVD lists on Wikipedia (Deep Space Nine, etc). I guess the "List of Seinfeld DVD releases" page could be improved, but deletion would remove this useful information completely. The DVD part of the main Seinfeld article does not have any the details present in "List of Seinfeld DVD releases" page. Keep the "List of Seinfeld DVD releases"! -- A user of the List of Seinfeld DVD releases page
- The same DVD contents can be found at Amazon or other retailers, but that information in a stand-alone article fails Wikipedia policy. A summary should be present at the main Seinfeld article. Also, see WP:USEFUL. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 23:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 21:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Delete – Failure of GNG. An alternate would be to condense and merge with Seinfeld. United States Man ( talk) 19:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey2010 • (talk) 01:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep - the information certainly needs to be put in table form, but other than that it should be kept. Noahcs ( Talk) 05:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)-
- You have not said why it should be kept nor addressed my policy concerns. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 16:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge into Seinfield get rid of the the uncessary junk. It should per correctly formatted per style guidline. Jay Jay What did I do? 16:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Reads like a marketing catalog; useful only for those who want to buy or those own the whole package and want to find an episode. All of these fall into unacceptable uses of Wikipedia written in WP:NOTCATALOG. Fleet Command ( talk) 07:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- How is the List of Seinfeld DVDs any different than numerous other "List of XYZ DVDs" on Wikipedia? See
List of Doctor Who DVD and Blu-ray releases,
List of The Simpsons home video releases,
List of Family Guy DVDs,
List of Hannah Montana DVDs , etc, etc. There are 12 of these pages in the first 20 search results, I'm sure there are many, many more. Are these other pages up for deletion? If not, then why is the List of Seinfeld DVDs up for deletion? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.48.197.55 (
talk) 17:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- It's not different. Those other pages will definitely be put up for discussion based on the outcome of this AFD case. --
Wikipedical (
talk) 17:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- So this one little discussion on the Seinfeld DVD page will set the precedent for deleting all the "List of XYZ DVDs" pages? You might want to get input from the users of those pages as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.48.197.55 (
talk) 20:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Precedent's not a good word, per WP:ALLORNOTHING. And yes, getting input from other editors would definitely have to take place. But this article simply lists DVD contents, which by itself is not inherently notable. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 02:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- So this one little discussion on the Seinfeld DVD page will set the precedent for deleting all the "List of XYZ DVDs" pages? You might want to get input from the users of those pages as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.48.197.55 (
talk) 20:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- It's not different. Those other pages will definitely be put up for discussion based on the outcome of this AFD case. --
Wikipedical (
talk) 17:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - It's just too much information to merge into the main article, and too much of value will be lost by deletion. Perhaps this needs to result in a discussion of policy on these lists, but I'm definitely on the side of keeping this, time to think about WP:NOTHING. XeroxKleenex ( talk) 19:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Release information is an important part of an encyclopedia information on a media product (e.g. a film or TV show). If there is too much information for it to be conveniently included in the main article on the product then clearly a sub-article is warranted. The assertion above that WP:GNG is not met is ridiculous as there are literally hundreds of articles available in reliable sources discussing releases of DVDs of this show (examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] etc). The article is currently lacking important information (i.e. the dates on which these various sets were released in different regions) which is usually present in other similar articles (e.g. the above-cited List of Doctor Who DVD and Blu-ray releases), but as the article's potential eventual state is what is relevant here I do not see why we cannot simply wait for this information to be added later. If some of the content (e.g. the easter eggs section) is deemed inappropriate, that should be removed from the article, rather than having the entire article deleted. JulesH ( talk) 20:35, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. postdlf ( talk) 13:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- List of Seinfeld DVD releases ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article exists solely to list DVD contents and fails WP:GNG, lacking significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Seinfeld#DVD releases already exists. And "Easter Egg" section completely fails WP:NOTGUIDE, as it instructs readers how to find content. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 21:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
KEEP - A few quick searches reveal that there are numerous DVD lists on Wikipedia (Deep Space Nine, etc). I guess the "List of Seinfeld DVD releases" page could be improved, but deletion would remove this useful information completely. The DVD part of the main Seinfeld article does not have any the details present in "List of Seinfeld DVD releases" page. Keep the "List of Seinfeld DVD releases"! -- A user of the List of Seinfeld DVD releases page
- The same DVD contents can be found at Amazon or other retailers, but that information in a stand-alone article fails Wikipedia policy. A summary should be present at the main Seinfeld article. Also, see WP:USEFUL. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 23:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 21:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Delete – Failure of GNG. An alternate would be to condense and merge with Seinfeld. United States Man ( talk) 19:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey2010 • (talk) 01:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep - the information certainly needs to be put in table form, but other than that it should be kept. Noahcs ( Talk) 05:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)-
- You have not said why it should be kept nor addressed my policy concerns. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 16:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge into Seinfield get rid of the the uncessary junk. It should per correctly formatted per style guidline. Jay Jay What did I do? 16:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Reads like a marketing catalog; useful only for those who want to buy or those own the whole package and want to find an episode. All of these fall into unacceptable uses of Wikipedia written in WP:NOTCATALOG. Fleet Command ( talk) 07:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- How is the List of Seinfeld DVDs any different than numerous other "List of XYZ DVDs" on Wikipedia? See
List of Doctor Who DVD and Blu-ray releases,
List of The Simpsons home video releases,
List of Family Guy DVDs,
List of Hannah Montana DVDs , etc, etc. There are 12 of these pages in the first 20 search results, I'm sure there are many, many more. Are these other pages up for deletion? If not, then why is the List of Seinfeld DVDs up for deletion? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.48.197.55 (
talk) 17:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- It's not different. Those other pages will definitely be put up for discussion based on the outcome of this AFD case. --
Wikipedical (
talk) 17:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- So this one little discussion on the Seinfeld DVD page will set the precedent for deleting all the "List of XYZ DVDs" pages? You might want to get input from the users of those pages as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.48.197.55 (
talk) 20:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Precedent's not a good word, per WP:ALLORNOTHING. And yes, getting input from other editors would definitely have to take place. But this article simply lists DVD contents, which by itself is not inherently notable. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 02:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- So this one little discussion on the Seinfeld DVD page will set the precedent for deleting all the "List of XYZ DVDs" pages? You might want to get input from the users of those pages as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.48.197.55 (
talk) 20:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- It's not different. Those other pages will definitely be put up for discussion based on the outcome of this AFD case. --
Wikipedical (
talk) 17:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - It's just too much information to merge into the main article, and too much of value will be lost by deletion. Perhaps this needs to result in a discussion of policy on these lists, but I'm definitely on the side of keeping this, time to think about WP:NOTHING. XeroxKleenex ( talk) 19:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Release information is an important part of an encyclopedia information on a media product (e.g. a film or TV show). If there is too much information for it to be conveniently included in the main article on the product then clearly a sub-article is warranted. The assertion above that WP:GNG is not met is ridiculous as there are literally hundreds of articles available in reliable sources discussing releases of DVDs of this show (examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] etc). The article is currently lacking important information (i.e. the dates on which these various sets were released in different regions) which is usually present in other similar articles (e.g. the above-cited List of Doctor Who DVD and Blu-ray releases), but as the article's potential eventual state is what is relevant here I do not see why we cannot simply wait for this information to be added later. If some of the content (e.g. the easter eggs section) is deemed inappropriate, that should be removed from the article, rather than having the entire article deleted. JulesH ( talk) 20:35, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.