- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. There's well-argued support for a merger with motorcycle club, but I think it would be overreaching to claim there is a consensus to do that. Further discussion about merges can take place on the relevant talk page, and if consensus is reached then the merge can be enacted. What this AfD has concluded is not to delete the article. NAC— S Marshall T/ C 16:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
List of Motorcycle Club terms
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The contents of this article are sourced to two unreliable and/or crowdsourced websites. The title is so confusing as to be not worth redirecting to any article. Most of the slang here is associated with Outlaw motorcycle clubs, with a mix of some Motorcycle club terms, along with terms like "back door" associated with group riding, not necessarily clubs, and "ape hanger", which belongs under Custom motorcycle and Motorcycle handlebar. In other words, there are slang terms used in several distinct motorcycling subcultures, and little justification for lumping them into one glossary. Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:49, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
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- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 00:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- Move to Wiktionary per glossary guideline at WP:SALAT. — Brianhe ( talk) 18:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to
Outlaw motorcycle clubsome appropriate motorcycle-related article -- RoySmith (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
- I feel a merge to Motorcycle club would be a better target, because most of the terms do not pertain solely to outlaw motorcycle clubs. NorthAmerica 1000 06:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 06:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to Motorcycle club. NorthAmerica 1000 06:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Whatever is not RS-supported can be challenged/deleted per wp:v (and would not be merged). But AfD is not for cleanup.
Epeefleche (
talk) 17:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- AfD is for deleting titles that are invalid. "List of Motorcycle Club terms" is not a good article title, nor a good redirect. It shouldn't exist. There are several articles that could have glossaries added to them, but that's not relevant to the flaws in this title. Otherwise I would have just cleaned it up. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 20:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Since when? That's what "move" is for.
Epeefleche (
talk) 20:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Move creates a redirect to the new page. You're free to disagree, but IMHO the title shouldn't exist as a redirect. And there's at least four subcultures that the new page could be about, and no obvious sourcing for that. So if someone wanted to create a whole new motorcycle-related list of terms, they could, but it shouldn't have any relationship to this current article, it's fatally flawed in it's premise. You might not share those opinions about the title and the value of the redirect, but AfD is the place for this discussion. --
Dennis Bratland (
talk) 20:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Your request above is for deletion. There are in fact some RSs -- any non-RS material can be deleted per wp:v. You didn't articulate in your deletion request what you now say you are seeking. And I'm not even sure that goal would be an appropriate reason to bring this to AfD. And none of the !voters so far, not surprisingly, are !voting for what you now suggest, but never articulated before, is your goal. None of the above move or merge !votes would result in what you most recently articulated as your goal. Epeefleche ( talk) 06:06, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Move creates a redirect to the new page. You're free to disagree, but IMHO the title shouldn't exist as a redirect. And there's at least four subcultures that the new page could be about, and no obvious sourcing for that. So if someone wanted to create a whole new motorcycle-related list of terms, they could, but it shouldn't have any relationship to this current article, it's fatally flawed in it's premise. You might not share those opinions about the title and the value of the redirect, but AfD is the place for this discussion. --
Dennis Bratland (
talk) 20:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Since when? That's what "move" is for.
Epeefleche (
talk) 20:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete -- I don't know what is the point of this list. Bearian ( talk) 20:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment — There is a discussion under way at Talk:List of Motorcycle Club terms suggesting this be simply renamed to e.g. Glossary of motorcycling with an appropriate preamble to make it inclusive of various subcultures. I think this would satisfy all sides presented here. — Brianhe ( talk) 23:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge sourced content to Motorcycling or eq., see List of Latin phrases for why DICT is not relevant. -- Bejnar ( talk) 23:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. There's well-argued support for a merger with motorcycle club, but I think it would be overreaching to claim there is a consensus to do that. Further discussion about merges can take place on the relevant talk page, and if consensus is reached then the merge can be enacted. What this AfD has concluded is not to delete the article. NAC— S Marshall T/ C 16:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
List of Motorcycle Club terms
- List of Motorcycle Club terms ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The contents of this article are sourced to two unreliable and/or crowdsourced websites. The title is so confusing as to be not worth redirecting to any article. Most of the slang here is associated with Outlaw motorcycle clubs, with a mix of some Motorcycle club terms, along with terms like "back door" associated with group riding, not necessarily clubs, and "ape hanger", which belongs under Custom motorcycle and Motorcycle handlebar. In other words, there are slang terms used in several distinct motorcycling subcultures, and little justification for lumping them into one glossary. Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:49, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:49, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 00:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- Move to Wiktionary per glossary guideline at WP:SALAT. — Brianhe ( talk) 18:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to
Outlaw motorcycle clubsome appropriate motorcycle-related article -- RoySmith (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
- I feel a merge to Motorcycle club would be a better target, because most of the terms do not pertain solely to outlaw motorcycle clubs. NorthAmerica 1000 06:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 06:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to Motorcycle club. NorthAmerica 1000 06:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Whatever is not RS-supported can be challenged/deleted per wp:v (and would not be merged). But AfD is not for cleanup.
Epeefleche (
talk) 17:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- AfD is for deleting titles that are invalid. "List of Motorcycle Club terms" is not a good article title, nor a good redirect. It shouldn't exist. There are several articles that could have glossaries added to them, but that's not relevant to the flaws in this title. Otherwise I would have just cleaned it up. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 20:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Since when? That's what "move" is for.
Epeefleche (
talk) 20:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Move creates a redirect to the new page. You're free to disagree, but IMHO the title shouldn't exist as a redirect. And there's at least four subcultures that the new page could be about, and no obvious sourcing for that. So if someone wanted to create a whole new motorcycle-related list of terms, they could, but it shouldn't have any relationship to this current article, it's fatally flawed in it's premise. You might not share those opinions about the title and the value of the redirect, but AfD is the place for this discussion. --
Dennis Bratland (
talk) 20:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Your request above is for deletion. There are in fact some RSs -- any non-RS material can be deleted per wp:v. You didn't articulate in your deletion request what you now say you are seeking. And I'm not even sure that goal would be an appropriate reason to bring this to AfD. And none of the !voters so far, not surprisingly, are !voting for what you now suggest, but never articulated before, is your goal. None of the above move or merge !votes would result in what you most recently articulated as your goal. Epeefleche ( talk) 06:06, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Move creates a redirect to the new page. You're free to disagree, but IMHO the title shouldn't exist as a redirect. And there's at least four subcultures that the new page could be about, and no obvious sourcing for that. So if someone wanted to create a whole new motorcycle-related list of terms, they could, but it shouldn't have any relationship to this current article, it's fatally flawed in it's premise. You might not share those opinions about the title and the value of the redirect, but AfD is the place for this discussion. --
Dennis Bratland (
talk) 20:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Since when? That's what "move" is for.
Epeefleche (
talk) 20:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete -- I don't know what is the point of this list. Bearian ( talk) 20:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment — There is a discussion under way at Talk:List of Motorcycle Club terms suggesting this be simply renamed to e.g. Glossary of motorcycling with an appropriate preamble to make it inclusive of various subcultures. I think this would satisfy all sides presented here. — Brianhe ( talk) 23:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge sourced content to Motorcycling or eq., see List of Latin phrases for why DICT is not relevant. -- Bejnar ( talk) 23:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.