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The result was no consensusâ. as there is disagreement if this article complies with WP:NLIST. Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
List of Monday Night Football results (2010âpresent)
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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides being mostly unsourced; they consists of WP:PRIMARY, announcements, some appears to be rewritten from each other. Most of those are about the game itself, others are dead or redirected pages. Barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Television,
American football, and
Lists.
SpacedFarmer (
talk)
08:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Because we need to continue edit for September as a Schedule Release Andrei Kenshin ( talk) 13:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close, all three deletion attempts of the lists of Monday Night Football games should be in a single nomination (three bites at the apple?). Randy Kryn ( talk) 13:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close, I agree with Randy Kryn. These nominations would be better done together, probably along with List of NFL on ABC results. Esolo5002 ( talk) 21:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per
WP:NOTSTATS and failing
WP:LISTN as the topic of Monday Night Football results falls under
WP:ROUTINE coverage of the NFL.
Conyo14 (
talk)
14:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- NOTSTATS would not apply as the information is explained, and
WP:NOTROUTINE covers the nominated articles (which should be combined by the nominator as soon as possible because now editors are commenting) as typical and encyclopedic. Will comment further when I reply to the nomination.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
15:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Stop bludgeoning. My !vote is final.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Bludgeoning? Please strike that, thanks. And countering misinformation is, I think, allowed. Randy Kryn ( talk) 00:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Stop bludgeoning. My !vote is final.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- NOTSTATS would not apply as the information is explained, and
WP:NOTROUTINE covers the nominated articles (which should be combined by the nominator as soon as possible because now editors are commenting) as typical and encyclopedic. Will comment further when I reply to the nomination.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
15:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merging multiple deletion discussions into a single AfD is a nomination choice, not a valid reason for procedural close, unless another AfD for the same page is already in progress. Please address the specific article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, OwenĂ â 21:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a sensible way of organizing this data. As far as
WP:NLIST, CBS Sports organizes information this way
[1], as do teams such as the Dallas Cowboys
[2]. As far as
WP:ROUTINE, that is an argument against articles for individual games,
Routine events such as sports matches ... may be better covered as part of another article
. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- To me I think we either need to keep all of the results articles or delete them all (which includes TNF, SNF, NFL Network exclusive game series and also NFL on ABC results) since it doesnât make sense to delete one and not the others, and same reasoning in keeping as well, plus if applicable we need to match the timelines a bit, make a single article just for ABC exclusive years, and another for ESPN years, and a final for ABC/ESPN together, since it doesnât make sense to break it up every 20 years either Hoopstercat ( talk) 02:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NLIST which states "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." Monday Night Football was a notable TV show, looked forward to every week in the era of three or four networks. It was a national event, only the best games were slated for Monday night. And it made stars of its announcers. Then per Walsh90210, who presents a good case. Randy Kryn ( talk) 03:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensusâ. as there is disagreement if this article complies with WP:NLIST. Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
List of Monday Night Football results (2010âpresent)
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- List of Monday Night Football results (2010âpresent) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) â ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books ¡ news ¡ scholar ¡ free images ¡ WP refs) ¡ FENS ¡ JSTOR ¡ TWL)
Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides being mostly unsourced; they consists of WP:PRIMARY, announcements, some appears to be rewritten from each other. Most of those are about the game itself, others are dead or redirected pages. Barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Television,
American football, and
Lists.
SpacedFarmer (
talk)
08:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Because we need to continue edit for September as a Schedule Release Andrei Kenshin ( talk) 13:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close, all three deletion attempts of the lists of Monday Night Football games should be in a single nomination (three bites at the apple?). Randy Kryn ( talk) 13:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close, I agree with Randy Kryn. These nominations would be better done together, probably along with List of NFL on ABC results. Esolo5002 ( talk) 21:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per
WP:NOTSTATS and failing
WP:LISTN as the topic of Monday Night Football results falls under
WP:ROUTINE coverage of the NFL.
Conyo14 (
talk)
14:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- NOTSTATS would not apply as the information is explained, and
WP:NOTROUTINE covers the nominated articles (which should be combined by the nominator as soon as possible because now editors are commenting) as typical and encyclopedic. Will comment further when I reply to the nomination.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
15:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Stop bludgeoning. My !vote is final.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Bludgeoning? Please strike that, thanks. And countering misinformation is, I think, allowed. Randy Kryn ( talk) 00:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Stop bludgeoning. My !vote is final.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- NOTSTATS would not apply as the information is explained, and
WP:NOTROUTINE covers the nominated articles (which should be combined by the nominator as soon as possible because now editors are commenting) as typical and encyclopedic. Will comment further when I reply to the nomination.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
15:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merging multiple deletion discussions into a single AfD is a nomination choice, not a valid reason for procedural close, unless another AfD for the same page is already in progress. Please address the specific article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, OwenĂ â 21:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a sensible way of organizing this data. As far as
WP:NLIST, CBS Sports organizes information this way
[1], as do teams such as the Dallas Cowboys
[2]. As far as
WP:ROUTINE, that is an argument against articles for individual games,
Routine events such as sports matches ... may be better covered as part of another article
. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- To me I think we either need to keep all of the results articles or delete them all (which includes TNF, SNF, NFL Network exclusive game series and also NFL on ABC results) since it doesnât make sense to delete one and not the others, and same reasoning in keeping as well, plus if applicable we need to match the timelines a bit, make a single article just for ABC exclusive years, and another for ESPN years, and a final for ABC/ESPN together, since it doesnât make sense to break it up every 20 years either Hoopstercat ( talk) 02:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NLIST which states "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." Monday Night Football was a notable TV show, looked forward to every week in the era of three or four networks. It was a national event, only the best games were slated for Monday night. And it made stars of its announcers. Then per Walsh90210, who presents a good case. Randy Kryn ( talk) 03:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.