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The result was delete. Stifle ( talk) 17:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- List of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam mobile weapons ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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This is an overly in-depth list of plot elements that are not critical to the understanding of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam. It lacks any real world information from reliable, third party sources to establish overall notability for the topic, so this is something better suited to Wikia. TTN ( talk) 16:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Per below, I'm also including:
- List of Gundam Sentinel mobile weapons ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Advanced Generation mobile weapons ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Turn A Gundam mobile units ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment Seeing that these are all in the same boat would it make sense to place:
- for deletion as well under one AfD? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 18:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all These seem to be trivial lists of non-notable weapons, fails WP:N when it comes to lists. I am for moving these to wikia if anyone wants to do that. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. The list I made is actually much better and out of universe than anything over there at Wikia. This is nothing more than a stupid pogrom for the sake of supposed notability issues people like TTN are quite fond of. -- Eaglestorm ( talk) 13:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- If it is better, moving the content to replace the inferior content would be best. TTN ( talk) 13:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Lets be WP:CIVIL here (This goes for both of you). Eagle I understand that you feel the list should be included here on Wikipedia but you have not shown how it is notable in reliable sources. If you can provide some secondary sources about the subject and cite them then feel free to add them during this AfD. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Knowledgekid don't talk to me about civility. well, before the Gundam Sentinel and even the Stardust Memory unit article existed in their current forms the text was copy pasted directly from Wikia. I made the effort to cull as much as I could to make it sound more out of universe. -- Eaglestorm ( talk) 04:08, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete- entirely unsourced, excessively detailed in-universe trivia. Reyk YO! 04:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Merge list into
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam where notability of neither the list nor the list elements is required per
WP:NNC. Most of the list is written using
WP:Real world wording, but some parts do occasionally fall into in-universe perspective narrative and need a copy edit to put the wording into real world perspective. No redirect needed after merge. The other three should be merged to their related articles, also.
VMS Mosaic (
talk)
10:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- What would you suggest merging and where would you place it? The list articles for the most part are entirely un-sourced fan included information. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
04:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Uh, at the risk of repeating myself, merge the entire list as is (correcting in-universe perspective narrative as needed) into Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam as an additional section. Inside the article it is properly sourced per WP:PRIMARY and WP:FICTIONPLOT (yes, I suppose someone should add the primary source citation). I would put it after "Plot summary". VMS Mosaic ( talk) 10:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- What would you suggest merging and where would you place it? The list articles for the most part are entirely un-sourced fan included information. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
04:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- A merge may be in order, VMS Mosaic I'm prepared to do so in Sentinel and Stardust Memory. -- Eaglestorm ( talk) 04:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Such long lists of pure plot information in articles give them undue weight, so they are almost always removed or cut down to an appropriate amount in ratio to their importance. For a person uninitiated with the series, the most they need to understand is that the characters pilot humanoid robots and whatever background information is relevant, probably limited to a paragraph. The character list can give a single sentence to mention that each character pilots "x robot with y defining characteristic." It is not extremely important that they know that the RX-110 Gabthley's production costs made the Federation favor the RX-139 Hambrabi. That's something suited to Wikia and their ability to go in-depth into such matters without worrying about this site's standards.
TTN (
talk)
15:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have no problem with making it more concise. Doing so would also fix the in-universe perspective issues. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 03:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Such long lists of pure plot information in articles give them undue weight, so they are almost always removed or cut down to an appropriate amount in ratio to their importance. For a person uninitiated with the series, the most they need to understand is that the characters pilot humanoid robots and whatever background information is relevant, probably limited to a paragraph. The character list can give a single sentence to mention that each character pilots "x robot with y defining characteristic." It is not extremely important that they know that the RX-110 Gabthley's production costs made the Federation favor the RX-139 Hambrabi. That's something suited to Wikia and their ability to go in-depth into such matters without worrying about this site's standards.
TTN (
talk)
15:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all Trivia and non-notable. DragonZero ( Talk · Contribs) 06:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Notability is a valid argument, but "trivia" is WP:AADD (in particular WP:IDONTLIKETHIS). I try to do WP:ENEMY which is why I said Merge because it is unlikely these weapons have been widely discussed as a group by reliable third parties. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 10:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero | My Talk 06:45, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, we have some articles about fictional weapons (like Lightsaber), but the weapons on that list have zero proof of notability and in fact the whole list doesn't have a single source.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 10:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all. These lists fail WP:LISTN. I agree with TTN that merging this overly detailed information would be a bad idea and overwhelm any article that it was merged into. If someone wants to know this kind of trivia, they can always go to Wikia. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 14:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all per WP:LISTN and reasonings given by TTN and DragonZero. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 07:39, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Stifle ( talk) 17:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- List of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam mobile weapons ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This is an overly in-depth list of plot elements that are not critical to the understanding of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam. It lacks any real world information from reliable, third party sources to establish overall notability for the topic, so this is something better suited to Wikia. TTN ( talk) 16:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Per below, I'm also including:
- List of Gundam Sentinel mobile weapons ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Advanced Generation mobile weapons ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Turn A Gundam mobile units ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Seeing that these are all in the same boat would it make sense to place:
- for deletion as well under one AfD? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 18:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all These seem to be trivial lists of non-notable weapons, fails WP:N when it comes to lists. I am for moving these to wikia if anyone wants to do that. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. The list I made is actually much better and out of universe than anything over there at Wikia. This is nothing more than a stupid pogrom for the sake of supposed notability issues people like TTN are quite fond of. -- Eaglestorm ( talk) 13:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- If it is better, moving the content to replace the inferior content would be best. TTN ( talk) 13:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Lets be WP:CIVIL here (This goes for both of you). Eagle I understand that you feel the list should be included here on Wikipedia but you have not shown how it is notable in reliable sources. If you can provide some secondary sources about the subject and cite them then feel free to add them during this AfD. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Knowledgekid don't talk to me about civility. well, before the Gundam Sentinel and even the Stardust Memory unit article existed in their current forms the text was copy pasted directly from Wikia. I made the effort to cull as much as I could to make it sound more out of universe. -- Eaglestorm ( talk) 04:08, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete- entirely unsourced, excessively detailed in-universe trivia. Reyk YO! 04:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Merge list into
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam where notability of neither the list nor the list elements is required per
WP:NNC. Most of the list is written using
WP:Real world wording, but some parts do occasionally fall into in-universe perspective narrative and need a copy edit to put the wording into real world perspective. No redirect needed after merge. The other three should be merged to their related articles, also.
VMS Mosaic (
talk)
10:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- What would you suggest merging and where would you place it? The list articles for the most part are entirely un-sourced fan included information. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
04:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Uh, at the risk of repeating myself, merge the entire list as is (correcting in-universe perspective narrative as needed) into Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam as an additional section. Inside the article it is properly sourced per WP:PRIMARY and WP:FICTIONPLOT (yes, I suppose someone should add the primary source citation). I would put it after "Plot summary". VMS Mosaic ( talk) 10:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- What would you suggest merging and where would you place it? The list articles for the most part are entirely un-sourced fan included information. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
04:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- A merge may be in order, VMS Mosaic I'm prepared to do so in Sentinel and Stardust Memory. -- Eaglestorm ( talk) 04:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Such long lists of pure plot information in articles give them undue weight, so they are almost always removed or cut down to an appropriate amount in ratio to their importance. For a person uninitiated with the series, the most they need to understand is that the characters pilot humanoid robots and whatever background information is relevant, probably limited to a paragraph. The character list can give a single sentence to mention that each character pilots "x robot with y defining characteristic." It is not extremely important that they know that the RX-110 Gabthley's production costs made the Federation favor the RX-139 Hambrabi. That's something suited to Wikia and their ability to go in-depth into such matters without worrying about this site's standards.
TTN (
talk)
15:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have no problem with making it more concise. Doing so would also fix the in-universe perspective issues. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 03:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Such long lists of pure plot information in articles give them undue weight, so they are almost always removed or cut down to an appropriate amount in ratio to their importance. For a person uninitiated with the series, the most they need to understand is that the characters pilot humanoid robots and whatever background information is relevant, probably limited to a paragraph. The character list can give a single sentence to mention that each character pilots "x robot with y defining characteristic." It is not extremely important that they know that the RX-110 Gabthley's production costs made the Federation favor the RX-139 Hambrabi. That's something suited to Wikia and their ability to go in-depth into such matters without worrying about this site's standards.
TTN (
talk)
15:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all Trivia and non-notable. DragonZero ( Talk · Contribs) 06:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Notability is a valid argument, but "trivia" is WP:AADD (in particular WP:IDONTLIKETHIS). I try to do WP:ENEMY which is why I said Merge because it is unlikely these weapons have been widely discussed as a group by reliable third parties. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 10:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero | My Talk 06:45, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, we have some articles about fictional weapons (like Lightsaber), but the weapons on that list have zero proof of notability and in fact the whole list doesn't have a single source.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 10:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all. These lists fail WP:LISTN. I agree with TTN that merging this overly detailed information would be a bad idea and overwhelm any article that it was merged into. If someone wants to know this kind of trivia, they can always go to Wikia. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 14:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete all per WP:LISTN and reasonings given by TTN and DragonZero. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 07:39, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.