The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Sourced entirely to primary sources, with a lot of
WP:GAMEGUIDE style information. Granted this is more than just a game, but a good half of this article is odd details like this, with no real-world context to have this meet the standard of
WP:NOTPLOT. No need to rehash the plot with this level of detail, since that is
WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Cannot find more than a
passing mention to establish the notability of this massive cast of characters and establish
notability for a
standalone list.
Shooterwalker (
talk)
04:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Added note about why a non-
WP:NOTABLEWP:SPINOFF is inappropriate: the main article for this is around 40kb. According to
WP:TOOBIG is "length alone does not justify division" at a size of around 40kb. Without being too rigid about it, the main article actually has been divided, with an encyclopedic spinout for
List of Initial D episodes. There's no value to spinning that out with a third in-universe article, which would just duplicates most of the information in both the main article and the plot summary spinoff. And returning to the original reason for nomination, if you removed the in-universe and primary sourced information in this character spinout article, there would be no article. Hence my recommendation for deletion.
Shooterwalker (
talk)
00:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)reply
KEEP The main article reads: "As of July 2013, collected tankōbon volumes of the Initial D manga series sold 48 million copies". This manga is quite notable, anime and games based on it also, and if the character list won't fit in the main article then a spinoff article for it is justified.
DreamFocus00:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep as sizesplit from the main franchise. Deletion is not cleanup. Many of the character descriptions are kept short and comparable to other manga / anime franchises of similar sizes.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
00:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment This being a split is not a reason to keep since this gargantuan mass of fancruft should not exist anywhere on Wikipedia. If you can write 90 thousand bytes of prose on something without citing a single reliable source, then that information is worthless no matter how it is presented.
Devonian Wombat (
talk)
01:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
If consensus is to delete or TNT, it will have to be redirected back to the main article. Character descriptions can be shortened, but there are still many characters and teams that need to be described.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
21:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Sourced entirely to primary sources, with a lot of
WP:GAMEGUIDE style information. Granted this is more than just a game, but a good half of this article is odd details like this, with no real-world context to have this meet the standard of
WP:NOTPLOT. No need to rehash the plot with this level of detail, since that is
WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Cannot find more than a
passing mention to establish the notability of this massive cast of characters and establish
notability for a
standalone list.
Shooterwalker (
talk)
04:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Added note about why a non-
WP:NOTABLEWP:SPINOFF is inappropriate: the main article for this is around 40kb. According to
WP:TOOBIG is "length alone does not justify division" at a size of around 40kb. Without being too rigid about it, the main article actually has been divided, with an encyclopedic spinout for
List of Initial D episodes. There's no value to spinning that out with a third in-universe article, which would just duplicates most of the information in both the main article and the plot summary spinoff. And returning to the original reason for nomination, if you removed the in-universe and primary sourced information in this character spinout article, there would be no article. Hence my recommendation for deletion.
Shooterwalker (
talk)
00:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)reply
KEEP The main article reads: "As of July 2013, collected tankōbon volumes of the Initial D manga series sold 48 million copies". This manga is quite notable, anime and games based on it also, and if the character list won't fit in the main article then a spinoff article for it is justified.
DreamFocus00:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep as sizesplit from the main franchise. Deletion is not cleanup. Many of the character descriptions are kept short and comparable to other manga / anime franchises of similar sizes.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
00:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment This being a split is not a reason to keep since this gargantuan mass of fancruft should not exist anywhere on Wikipedia. If you can write 90 thousand bytes of prose on something without citing a single reliable source, then that information is worthless no matter how it is presented.
Devonian Wombat (
talk)
01:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
If consensus is to delete or TNT, it will have to be redirected back to the main article. Character descriptions can be shortened, but there are still many characters and teams that need to be described.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
21:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.