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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 22:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
List of Google Stadia games
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WP:NOTBROCHURE / WP:NOTCATALOG. Eostrix ( talk) 11:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Eostrix ( talk) 11:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep - how exactly is this different from say
List of Nintendo Switch games (A–L)? Whilst I personally think these things are more suited to categories than a list like this, I don't really see how it's all that different. NOT BROCHURE is about purely promotional pieces (which this isn't, and even if it was, it could be easily fixed), and NOTCATALOGUE is for directories, or lists of loosely associated subjects. In this case, we have a list of items grouped sensibly by platform(?). The only issue is how we treat the stadia, rather than it being an unsuitable list. Best Wishes,
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) 12:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- At least in the case of Nintendo Switch, that's a platform and some of the games aren't sold by Nintendo. I think
Steam (service) is a better comparison here. The list here is a list of items for purchase on the Stadia website/service. The list here is a catalog of games Stadia is selling on its platform.--
Eostrix (
talk) 12:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see the difference at all. If the switch no longer had physical releases, would this mean that article is no longer suitable? No. That is the equivalent. Best Wishes,
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) 12:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- I think there is a distinction. A PS3 game is always playable in the future on a PS3, even in twenty years on some emulator. If Stadia drops a game from their catalog (server network), you can no longer play it on clients connected to the Stadia servers. Stadia hosting a game is like YouTube hosting a video (YouTube and Stadia are technically related), and this list is Stadia's catalog.-- Eostrix ( talk) 08:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see the difference at all. If the switch no longer had physical releases, would this mean that article is no longer suitable? No. That is the equivalent. Best Wishes,
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) 12:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- At least in the case of Nintendo Switch, that's a platform and some of the games aren't sold by Nintendo. I think
Steam (service) is a better comparison here. The list here is a list of items for purchase on the Stadia website/service. The list here is a catalog of games Stadia is selling on its platform.--
Eostrix (
talk) 12:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per every other “list of video game platform x” article, which Theres is a clear consensus for having. Steam is a poor analogy. It’s set up is similar to consoles, except for that there’s is cloud computing involved. The only thing Stadia is guilty of is being unpopular, but we don’t delete lists on these grounds. Sergecross73 msg me 12:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. If the outcome of this discussion is keep, the list should be renamed "List of Stadia games" as the platform name is "Stadia". The article for the platform itself is mistitled to simulate a disambiguator. IceWelder [ ✉] 13:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete As I understand it, Google Stadia is a gaming platform. Although hardware is available for it, it is largely a software innovation. For this reason, it's not really comparable to the Nintendo Switch because that is a piece of hardware, and games have to be specifically made for it. In layman's terms, having an article on a list of Stadia games is like having an article on a list of different products available on Amazon. If we had an article like this for the largest gaming platform, Steam, it would contain over 35,000 listings with 50 or 60 being added per day. It is not easily maintainable or encyclopedic and that is why it doesn't exist. If Stadia expands (which it likely will) it is not unthinkable that it will become this large. The article could become outdated within hours, not to mention all of the other problems with having an article that is an enormous list of products. Fails WP:CATALOGUE and WP:LISTCRUFT. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 14:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Neither Steam not Amazon are a good comparison point. Both are a different service with a different scope. If we absolutely need one, PlayStation Now and List of PlayStation Now games would be more acceptable, both in similarity and scope. (Stadia is absolutely not on track to be the next Steam, and does not have the same size/INDISCRIMINATE issues a list of Steam games would have. Sergecross73 msg me 15:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Might nominate that Playstation Now page per WP:LISTCRUFT as well. Would be much better as a category instead. I don't see what one paragraph followed by 842 games adds to the context of the topic. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 16:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Guess it’s just hard to see where exactly the line is drawn here, as that doesn’t sound all that different from many of the platform game list articles in existence right now. I think a better approach is to get a consensus developed in the MOS area, and then act from there. I think were going to get conflicting viewpoints and conclusions if we just keep sending them to AFD one by one... Sergecross73 msg me 17:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Topic meets WP:LISTN. The above is an uninformed understanding of Stadia. Stadia is an independent platform which requires unique development considerations for game developers. The fact that the digital storefront for purchasing licenses to games developed for the platform is proprietary is irrelevant, given that most gaming consoles have similar proprietary digital storefronts. Further, though other consoles with similar lists currently allow purchase from third party vendors, games purchased for those consoles also require first-party approval and the use of proprietary software (and frequently hardware in the case of physical copies). 2601:182:C901:9170:B0E4:8AA5:EEB3:4EB9 ( talk) 03:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Topic clearly meets WP:LISTN. -- letcreate123 ( talk) 00:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- comment This one is really going to depend on maintainability (which is probably why we don't have list of GeForce Now games). If it fades away and dies then this list is viable. Otherwise size will be an issue. ©Geni ( talk) 07:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep but move to list of Stadia games. WP:VG considers Stadia a valid platform for infoboxes, so it differs from something like a list of GeForce Now games. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 09:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to vote keep, because so far, RS have treated Stadia as a separate platform as well as a service: there are exclusive releases and users have the option to purchase games, not just that they're temporarily available. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keeep per 2601:182:C901:9170:B0E4:8AA5:EEB3:4EB9 and Dissident93 - Stadia has consensus as a video gaming platform for which games are speficially programmed and ported to (which comes with its infobox field, category, list(s), mention in lede, all the usual). You're confusing storefront and platform (which Stadia is both in a way, I'll concede, but this is about the platform). You're arguing this is like a List of video games sold at Gamestop or List of Netflix flims, which it is not. Unless you're arguing all "Lists of games for X console" should be deleted (which is an argument I might actually entertain!), there is no reason to delete this one and keep others. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 16:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games#Platforms Stadia is listed in video game infoboxes just like any other platform like the PlayStation 4 (as discussed here [1]). Therefore, there is no reason to delete it otherwise the same logic can be applied to all other platform lists like List of PlayStation 4 games. This list is not a catalog and meet WP:LISTN. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 22:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
List of Google Stadia games
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WP:NOTBROCHURE / WP:NOTCATALOG. Eostrix ( talk) 11:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Eostrix ( talk) 11:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Eostrix ( talk) 08:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - how exactly is this different from say
List of Nintendo Switch games (A–L)? Whilst I personally think these things are more suited to categories than a list like this, I don't really see how it's all that different. NOT BROCHURE is about purely promotional pieces (which this isn't, and even if it was, it could be easily fixed), and NOTCATALOGUE is for directories, or lists of loosely associated subjects. In this case, we have a list of items grouped sensibly by platform(?). The only issue is how we treat the stadia, rather than it being an unsuitable list. Best Wishes,
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) 12:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- At least in the case of Nintendo Switch, that's a platform and some of the games aren't sold by Nintendo. I think
Steam (service) is a better comparison here. The list here is a list of items for purchase on the Stadia website/service. The list here is a catalog of games Stadia is selling on its platform.--
Eostrix (
talk) 12:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see the difference at all. If the switch no longer had physical releases, would this mean that article is no longer suitable? No. That is the equivalent. Best Wishes,
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) 12:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- I think there is a distinction. A PS3 game is always playable in the future on a PS3, even in twenty years on some emulator. If Stadia drops a game from their catalog (server network), you can no longer play it on clients connected to the Stadia servers. Stadia hosting a game is like YouTube hosting a video (YouTube and Stadia are technically related), and this list is Stadia's catalog.-- Eostrix ( talk) 08:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see the difference at all. If the switch no longer had physical releases, would this mean that article is no longer suitable? No. That is the equivalent. Best Wishes,
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) 12:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- At least in the case of Nintendo Switch, that's a platform and some of the games aren't sold by Nintendo. I think
Steam (service) is a better comparison here. The list here is a list of items for purchase on the Stadia website/service. The list here is a catalog of games Stadia is selling on its platform.--
Eostrix (
talk) 12:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per every other “list of video game platform x” article, which Theres is a clear consensus for having. Steam is a poor analogy. It’s set up is similar to consoles, except for that there’s is cloud computing involved. The only thing Stadia is guilty of is being unpopular, but we don’t delete lists on these grounds. Sergecross73 msg me 12:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. If the outcome of this discussion is keep, the list should be renamed "List of Stadia games" as the platform name is "Stadia". The article for the platform itself is mistitled to simulate a disambiguator. IceWelder [ ✉] 13:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete As I understand it, Google Stadia is a gaming platform. Although hardware is available for it, it is largely a software innovation. For this reason, it's not really comparable to the Nintendo Switch because that is a piece of hardware, and games have to be specifically made for it. In layman's terms, having an article on a list of Stadia games is like having an article on a list of different products available on Amazon. If we had an article like this for the largest gaming platform, Steam, it would contain over 35,000 listings with 50 or 60 being added per day. It is not easily maintainable or encyclopedic and that is why it doesn't exist. If Stadia expands (which it likely will) it is not unthinkable that it will become this large. The article could become outdated within hours, not to mention all of the other problems with having an article that is an enormous list of products. Fails WP:CATALOGUE and WP:LISTCRUFT. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 14:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Neither Steam not Amazon are a good comparison point. Both are a different service with a different scope. If we absolutely need one, PlayStation Now and List of PlayStation Now games would be more acceptable, both in similarity and scope. (Stadia is absolutely not on track to be the next Steam, and does not have the same size/INDISCRIMINATE issues a list of Steam games would have. Sergecross73 msg me 15:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Might nominate that Playstation Now page per WP:LISTCRUFT as well. Would be much better as a category instead. I don't see what one paragraph followed by 842 games adds to the context of the topic. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 16:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Guess it’s just hard to see where exactly the line is drawn here, as that doesn’t sound all that different from many of the platform game list articles in existence right now. I think a better approach is to get a consensus developed in the MOS area, and then act from there. I think were going to get conflicting viewpoints and conclusions if we just keep sending them to AFD one by one... Sergecross73 msg me 17:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Topic meets WP:LISTN. The above is an uninformed understanding of Stadia. Stadia is an independent platform which requires unique development considerations for game developers. The fact that the digital storefront for purchasing licenses to games developed for the platform is proprietary is irrelevant, given that most gaming consoles have similar proprietary digital storefronts. Further, though other consoles with similar lists currently allow purchase from third party vendors, games purchased for those consoles also require first-party approval and the use of proprietary software (and frequently hardware in the case of physical copies). 2601:182:C901:9170:B0E4:8AA5:EEB3:4EB9 ( talk) 03:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Topic clearly meets WP:LISTN. -- letcreate123 ( talk) 00:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- comment This one is really going to depend on maintainability (which is probably why we don't have list of GeForce Now games). If it fades away and dies then this list is viable. Otherwise size will be an issue. ©Geni ( talk) 07:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep but move to list of Stadia games. WP:VG considers Stadia a valid platform for infoboxes, so it differs from something like a list of GeForce Now games. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 09:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to vote keep, because so far, RS have treated Stadia as a separate platform as well as a service: there are exclusive releases and users have the option to purchase games, not just that they're temporarily available. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keeep per 2601:182:C901:9170:B0E4:8AA5:EEB3:4EB9 and Dissident93 - Stadia has consensus as a video gaming platform for which games are speficially programmed and ported to (which comes with its infobox field, category, list(s), mention in lede, all the usual). You're confusing storefront and platform (which Stadia is both in a way, I'll concede, but this is about the platform). You're arguing this is like a List of video games sold at Gamestop or List of Netflix flims, which it is not. Unless you're arguing all "Lists of games for X console" should be deleted (which is an argument I might actually entertain!), there is no reason to delete this one and keep others. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 16:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games#Platforms Stadia is listed in video game infoboxes just like any other platform like the PlayStation 4 (as discussed here [1]). Therefore, there is no reason to delete it otherwise the same logic can be applied to all other platform lists like List of PlayStation 4 games. This list is not a catalog and meet WP:LISTN. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.