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The result was delete. Hog Farm Talk 14:59, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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As per precedent set by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modelled aircraft in IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover. List is all WP:GAMEGUIDE material, breaks WP:VGSCOPE (#7), and does not appear to meet WP:LISTN as it uses almost entirely unreliable / 1st party sources. HarryKernow (talk) 01:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. HarryKernow (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Showing a list of aircraft found in a video game is not acceptable for its own article. Wikipedia does exist to be used for advertisement. Dream Focus 01:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: it is not a list of aircraft found in a video game. It is a list of video games, same as other similar lists in this encyclopedia.
Kintaro (
talk)
20:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- It just links to various real life military vehicles, not to notable game releases. Go to https://digital_combat_simulator.fandom.com/ and click Start your own wiki then you can unload the information there. Dream Focus 00:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Pretty clear WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE violation, as a list of game vehicles. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 01:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Per the arguments advanced in the nomination, which seem persuasive to me. DocFreeman24 ( talk) 06:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Appears to be mostly unsourced GAMEGUIDE material. IceWelder [ ✉] 19:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Clear WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. -- ferret ( talk) 21:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This is not similar to the IL-2 Sturmovik list. This is a list of downloadable content (DLC), a common thing to make a video game list. It's not just WP:GAMEGUIDE material and doesn't break WP:VGSCOPE (#7) since these are invidual game releases. This game is essentially F2P game and all content is through these "modules". Similar how Rock Band series has a dozen song lists (e.g. 2009 in downloadable songs for the Rock Band series). Not every song release on that list is invidually notable. Same way most of the modules of DCS are not notable but some are (see: A10C & Black Shark). -- Mika1h ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- I have now added sources to the article from PC Gamer and Rock, Paper, Shotgun. -- Mika1h ( talk) 19:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Now also
PCGamesN has been added. All three
reliable sources according to Video Games project. --
Mika1h (
talk)
19:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your vote and comment, Mika1h. Sadly, from experience I know they won't listen. Those who want this list is deleted usually think it is normal to preserve other lists in Wikipedia, lists exactly fulflling the very same requirements. Contradictory, I know, but there's nothing we can do. The list will be deleted, that's for sure, and this is why I'm commenting only, not voting.
Kintaro (
talk)
12:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Kintaro Your pessimism is very annoying and only says to me that you don't really take the concerns seriously. I obviously am very interested in DCS as I've played it since late 2015 and I am very interested in meaningful, well-written coverage in Wikipedia. That being said, I do agree that DCS modules are DLC, but I essentially fail to see any meaningful difference from prototypical DLC. They are not standalone, you cannot play them without DCS World - it makes it more like Rail Simulator's DLC than say an expansion pack like Diablo II: Lord of Destruction. There are also no physical copies; you can only buy access to the modules per account with Eagle Dynamics. Furthermore, I think WP:VGSCOPE #7 still applies, especially given the very specific wording against lists of vehicles and suggestions for a "concise summary" instead. Finally, after reviewing 2009 in downloadable songs for the Rock Band series, I fail to see how the references in that list or this list point to significant "[discussion] as a group or set by independent reliable sources" ( WP:LISTN); many of the references are not independent or do not give any indication as to why the group (2009 Rock Band DLC) is notable. Also, many links have since broken or won't load for me, and many are simply promotional material for the game or songs in it. Reviewing List of DCS modules reveals a similar story, with only 8 of 46 (by my quick once-over count) NOT being from Eagle Dynamic's site or forums. Of those 8, under half are discussing strictly one or a group of modules, and at least one isn't even about DCS. Even if you think that's an unfair tally, 8-9 out of 46 with the same Tim Stone author repeated 4 times is a sad state of affairs. HarryKernow (talk) 09:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your vote and comment, Mika1h. Sadly, from experience I know they won't listen. Those who want this list is deleted usually think it is normal to preserve other lists in Wikipedia, lists exactly fulflling the very same requirements. Contradictory, I know, but there's nothing we can do. The list will be deleted, that's for sure, and this is why I'm commenting only, not voting.
Kintaro (
talk)
12:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. Videogameplayer99 ( talk) 23:09, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Hog Farm Talk 14:59, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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- List of DCS modules ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
As per precedent set by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modelled aircraft in IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover. List is all WP:GAMEGUIDE material, breaks WP:VGSCOPE (#7), and does not appear to meet WP:LISTN as it uses almost entirely unreliable / 1st party sources. HarryKernow (talk) 01:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. HarryKernow (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. HarryKernow (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Showing a list of aircraft found in a video game is not acceptable for its own article. Wikipedia does exist to be used for advertisement. Dream Focus 01:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: it is not a list of aircraft found in a video game. It is a list of video games, same as other similar lists in this encyclopedia.
Kintaro (
talk)
20:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- It just links to various real life military vehicles, not to notable game releases. Go to https://digital_combat_simulator.fandom.com/ and click Start your own wiki then you can unload the information there. Dream Focus 00:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Pretty clear WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE violation, as a list of game vehicles. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 01:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Per the arguments advanced in the nomination, which seem persuasive to me. DocFreeman24 ( talk) 06:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Appears to be mostly unsourced GAMEGUIDE material. IceWelder [ ✉] 19:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Clear WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. -- ferret ( talk) 21:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This is not similar to the IL-2 Sturmovik list. This is a list of downloadable content (DLC), a common thing to make a video game list. It's not just WP:GAMEGUIDE material and doesn't break WP:VGSCOPE (#7) since these are invidual game releases. This game is essentially F2P game and all content is through these "modules". Similar how Rock Band series has a dozen song lists (e.g. 2009 in downloadable songs for the Rock Band series). Not every song release on that list is invidually notable. Same way most of the modules of DCS are not notable but some are (see: A10C & Black Shark). -- Mika1h ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- I have now added sources to the article from PC Gamer and Rock, Paper, Shotgun. -- Mika1h ( talk) 19:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Now also
PCGamesN has been added. All three
reliable sources according to Video Games project. --
Mika1h (
talk)
19:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your vote and comment, Mika1h. Sadly, from experience I know they won't listen. Those who want this list is deleted usually think it is normal to preserve other lists in Wikipedia, lists exactly fulflling the very same requirements. Contradictory, I know, but there's nothing we can do. The list will be deleted, that's for sure, and this is why I'm commenting only, not voting.
Kintaro (
talk)
12:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Kintaro Your pessimism is very annoying and only says to me that you don't really take the concerns seriously. I obviously am very interested in DCS as I've played it since late 2015 and I am very interested in meaningful, well-written coverage in Wikipedia. That being said, I do agree that DCS modules are DLC, but I essentially fail to see any meaningful difference from prototypical DLC. They are not standalone, you cannot play them without DCS World - it makes it more like Rail Simulator's DLC than say an expansion pack like Diablo II: Lord of Destruction. There are also no physical copies; you can only buy access to the modules per account with Eagle Dynamics. Furthermore, I think WP:VGSCOPE #7 still applies, especially given the very specific wording against lists of vehicles and suggestions for a "concise summary" instead. Finally, after reviewing 2009 in downloadable songs for the Rock Band series, I fail to see how the references in that list or this list point to significant "[discussion] as a group or set by independent reliable sources" ( WP:LISTN); many of the references are not independent or do not give any indication as to why the group (2009 Rock Band DLC) is notable. Also, many links have since broken or won't load for me, and many are simply promotional material for the game or songs in it. Reviewing List of DCS modules reveals a similar story, with only 8 of 46 (by my quick once-over count) NOT being from Eagle Dynamic's site or forums. Of those 8, under half are discussing strictly one or a group of modules, and at least one isn't even about DCS. Even if you think that's an unfair tally, 8-9 out of 46 with the same Tim Stone author repeated 4 times is a sad state of affairs. HarryKernow (talk) 09:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your vote and comment, Mika1h. Sadly, from experience I know they won't listen. Those who want this list is deleted usually think it is normal to preserve other lists in Wikipedia, lists exactly fulflling the very same requirements. Contradictory, I know, but there's nothing we can do. The list will be deleted, that's for sure, and this is why I'm commenting only, not voting.
Kintaro (
talk)
12:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. Videogameplayer99 ( talk) 23:09, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.