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The result was delete. The article fails WP:CORP and WP:NOTTRAVEL. TadejM my talk 13:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
List of Adria Airways destinations
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This article violates WP:CORP and the outcome of the 2018 RFC where it was decided that these articles listing airline destinations are essentially directories/databases containing purely commercial information.
WP:CORP is failed as, though this is a list, this is manifestly about a commercial enterprise, meaning that WP:LISTN is modified by WP:CORP, yet the only sources cited in the article are the company's own website and www.exyuaviation.com, which is a blog. No reliable, independent sources are cited in the article. To meet WP:CORP sources would have to be found that satisfy the audience requirements for WP:CORP articles, meaning that industry-press or local news alone won't be enough. Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE. FOARP ( talk) 09:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Aviation and Slovenia. FOARP ( talk) 09:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, apart from the fact that the company went bankrupt in 2019, this list is only a list of destinations at a specific time. Not much to merge to the parent article, either. -- Tone 10:04, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. This information would be perfectly valid in the article about the airline itself, but might make that article excessively long. I think we need a new policy: If an airline company is notable, its list of destinations as a separate article is also notable. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Eastmain - So, lists of products/services provided by companies should be automatically assumed notable if the providing company is notable? Lists of bus-routes? Rail services? Computer programs? Cars? Package holidays? Individual hotels in hotel-chains? Restaurants in a franchise? Multiplex cinemas? Supermarkets? These are all no different ultimately to the routes of an airline. The routes served by an airline are just as routine and run-of-the-mill as the locations run by Arby's or Tim Hortons or Little Chef.
- That Argos or Costco are notable does not mean we should have a list-article listing all of their outlets. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not the Yellow Pages, nor an airline services schedule.
- Additionally, the sourcing here (the company and a blog) is clearly not suitable. This is setting aside the question of whether the parent article is appropriately sourced.
- The place to propose policy changes is at WP:VPP, not here. Here we already have an RFC regarding specifically these articles, which says they are not suitable content. FOARP ( talk) 11:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Per WP:NOTTRAVEL -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk) 16:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: What about List of Lufthansa destinations, List of United Airlines destinations, List of Air Canada destinations, and List of Singapore Airlines destinations? They're part of Star Alliance. They're affected by WP:NOTTRAVEL. CastJared ( talk) 16:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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CastJared - Frankly I'm OK with deleting all of the lists of destination articles per the 2018 RFC, but I'm curious - why is Star Alliance relevant here?
FOARP (
talk)
13:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Because Star Alliance members, have their separate destinations article for each airline. CastJared ( talk) 15:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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CastJared - You mean it's duplicated content?
FOARP (
talk)
15:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah. CastJared ( talk) 15:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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CastJared - You mean it's duplicated content?
FOARP (
talk)
15:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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CastJared - Frankly I'm OK with deleting all of the lists of destination articles per the 2018 RFC, but I'm curious - why is Star Alliance relevant here?
FOARP (
talk)
13:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. The article fails WP:CORP and WP:NOTTRAVEL. TadejM my talk 13:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
List of Adria Airways destinations
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This article violates WP:CORP and the outcome of the 2018 RFC where it was decided that these articles listing airline destinations are essentially directories/databases containing purely commercial information.
WP:CORP is failed as, though this is a list, this is manifestly about a commercial enterprise, meaning that WP:LISTN is modified by WP:CORP, yet the only sources cited in the article are the company's own website and www.exyuaviation.com, which is a blog. No reliable, independent sources are cited in the article. To meet WP:CORP sources would have to be found that satisfy the audience requirements for WP:CORP articles, meaning that industry-press or local news alone won't be enough. Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE. FOARP ( talk) 09:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Aviation and Slovenia. FOARP ( talk) 09:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, apart from the fact that the company went bankrupt in 2019, this list is only a list of destinations at a specific time. Not much to merge to the parent article, either. -- Tone 10:04, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. This information would be perfectly valid in the article about the airline itself, but might make that article excessively long. I think we need a new policy: If an airline company is notable, its list of destinations as a separate article is also notable. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Eastmain - So, lists of products/services provided by companies should be automatically assumed notable if the providing company is notable? Lists of bus-routes? Rail services? Computer programs? Cars? Package holidays? Individual hotels in hotel-chains? Restaurants in a franchise? Multiplex cinemas? Supermarkets? These are all no different ultimately to the routes of an airline. The routes served by an airline are just as routine and run-of-the-mill as the locations run by Arby's or Tim Hortons or Little Chef.
- That Argos or Costco are notable does not mean we should have a list-article listing all of their outlets. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not the Yellow Pages, nor an airline services schedule.
- Additionally, the sourcing here (the company and a blog) is clearly not suitable. This is setting aside the question of whether the parent article is appropriately sourced.
- The place to propose policy changes is at WP:VPP, not here. Here we already have an RFC regarding specifically these articles, which says they are not suitable content. FOARP ( talk) 11:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Per WP:NOTTRAVEL -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk) 16:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: What about List of Lufthansa destinations, List of United Airlines destinations, List of Air Canada destinations, and List of Singapore Airlines destinations? They're part of Star Alliance. They're affected by WP:NOTTRAVEL. CastJared ( talk) 16:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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CastJared - Frankly I'm OK with deleting all of the lists of destination articles per the 2018 RFC, but I'm curious - why is Star Alliance relevant here?
FOARP (
talk)
13:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Because Star Alliance members, have their separate destinations article for each airline. CastJared ( talk) 15:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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CastJared - You mean it's duplicated content?
FOARP (
talk)
15:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah. CastJared ( talk) 15:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
-
CastJared - You mean it's duplicated content?
FOARP (
talk)
15:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
-
CastJared - Frankly I'm OK with deleting all of the lists of destination articles per the 2018 RFC, but I'm curious - why is Star Alliance relevant here?
FOARP (
talk)
13:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.