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Disputed Prod. We have no article for the ACoRP or for most of the members, and we have
List of British heritage and private railways for those lines not included in the national lines or with their own article. The railway lines are important, the CRPs not so much (in general). No notability for the list subject.
Fram (
talk) 06:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - The people proposing deletion do not seem to understand the subject.
Community rail partnerships have nothing to do with Heritage and private railways. They are support groups for certain
National Rail lines.
Biscuittin (
talk) 22:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Which is not a reason to keep the article, of course.
Fram (
talk) 15:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - this is not anything to do with heritage railways and anyway this article could do with a revamp and possibly even a rename to something like
List of community rail partnerships in the United Kingdom. For example, the
Borders Railway is a community railway line. Proposed lines also do not count.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 17:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Which still doesn't address the lack of notability for this list of CRPs. Yes, I shouldn't have mentioned heritage railways (the list didn't do a very good job of explaining what it was about anyway), but that it is about standard rail lines and not heritage rail lines doesn't change the reason for deletion, which neither of the keeps have so far addressed.
Fram (
talk) 18:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Community rail partnerships are special types of railway lines with an organisation on each line representing the communities they serve. Why would this not be notable? It would be too big to fit into
community rail (and besides it is incomplete). How about
List of train operating companies or
List of railway bridges and viaducts in the United Kingdom. Each describes an important aspect of the UK rail system.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 19:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
If it is an important aspect, shouldn't we at least have an article on ACoRP, and on some more of these members? Now neither the organisation nor the members have any evidence of being notable subjects, and a list of mainly non-notable members of a non-notable group has no place here. Even a list of notable members of a non-notable group has no place; without evidence that the ACoRP is a notable association, there is no reason to have a list of their members.
Fram (
talk) 21:01, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, there is an article on it as it is part of the
community rail one. For the organisation itself, see
here. It is sponsored by train operating companies and the government. See
here.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 21:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
So what you actually mean is not "yes..." but "No, we only have a short paragraph on it, with one primary source". Your links do again nothing to establish any notability.
Fram (
talk) 07:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
[1], and I'm sure it's pretty easy to find other uindustry sources. -mattbuck (
Talk) 09:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
More examples of relevant news articles
here,
here and
here.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 18:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
UY ScutiTalk 18:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:58, 6 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Two of the listed ACoRP members have their own Wikipedia articles, but several others are sufficiently notable that they could have one.
Martinogk (
talk) 04:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Disputed Prod. We have no article for the ACoRP or for most of the members, and we have
List of British heritage and private railways for those lines not included in the national lines or with their own article. The railway lines are important, the CRPs not so much (in general). No notability for the list subject.
Fram (
talk) 06:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - The people proposing deletion do not seem to understand the subject.
Community rail partnerships have nothing to do with Heritage and private railways. They are support groups for certain
National Rail lines.
Biscuittin (
talk) 22:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Which is not a reason to keep the article, of course.
Fram (
talk) 15:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - this is not anything to do with heritage railways and anyway this article could do with a revamp and possibly even a rename to something like
List of community rail partnerships in the United Kingdom. For example, the
Borders Railway is a community railway line. Proposed lines also do not count.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 17:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Which still doesn't address the lack of notability for this list of CRPs. Yes, I shouldn't have mentioned heritage railways (the list didn't do a very good job of explaining what it was about anyway), but that it is about standard rail lines and not heritage rail lines doesn't change the reason for deletion, which neither of the keeps have so far addressed.
Fram (
talk) 18:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Community rail partnerships are special types of railway lines with an organisation on each line representing the communities they serve. Why would this not be notable? It would be too big to fit into
community rail (and besides it is incomplete). How about
List of train operating companies or
List of railway bridges and viaducts in the United Kingdom. Each describes an important aspect of the UK rail system.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 19:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
If it is an important aspect, shouldn't we at least have an article on ACoRP, and on some more of these members? Now neither the organisation nor the members have any evidence of being notable subjects, and a list of mainly non-notable members of a non-notable group has no place here. Even a list of notable members of a non-notable group has no place; without evidence that the ACoRP is a notable association, there is no reason to have a list of their members.
Fram (
talk) 21:01, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, there is an article on it as it is part of the
community rail one. For the organisation itself, see
here. It is sponsored by train operating companies and the government. See
here.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 21:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
So what you actually mean is not "yes..." but "No, we only have a short paragraph on it, with one primary source". Your links do again nothing to establish any notability.
Fram (
talk) 07:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
[1], and I'm sure it's pretty easy to find other uindustry sources. -mattbuck (
Talk) 09:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
More examples of relevant news articles
here,
here and
here.
Simplysouth ....
..time, deparment skies for just 9 years 18:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
UY ScutiTalk 18:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:58, 6 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Two of the listed ACoRP members have their own Wikipedia articles, but several others are sufficiently notable that they could have one.
Martinogk (
talk) 04:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.