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Keep per Rikster2. Passes GNG.--
TM 21:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep meets GNG, plus competed for Canada in international play. ~EDDY(
talk/
contribs)~ 00:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete The articles only add up to routine coverage.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 01:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment No they are not, they are full stories centered around the subject. And if you don’t like those ones, try
this and
this and
this. Johnpacklambert, you are quickly losing credibility in AfD discussions. Fully 98.4% of your votes are Delete/Merge/Redirect (see
here) and many show a lack of
WP:BEFORE - not fully checking to see if the subject meets a notability guideline, not looking for sources, etc. If you are going to !vote indiscriminately why should we pay attention?
Rikster2 (
talk) 04:12, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Clearly passes
WP:GNG. I share other users' concerns about
Johnpacklambert. He's already been sanctioned for creating spurious AFDs without doing
WP:BEFORE, perhaps it's time to increase those sanctions.
Smartyllama (
talk) 17:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Just because the cabal of keepers for articles on sportspeople gets outraged, does not mean that nominating one line articles is in any way a "spurious" nomination.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 02:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
I vote Delete more than I vote keep, smart guy.
Rikster2 (
talk) 03:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
KeepWP:GNG is satisfied with the sources listed above. To the Nominator,
WP:GNG should be considered before looking at specific notability guidelines such as
WP:NBASKETBALL. These sport-specific-guidelines are inclusionary, not exclusionary. Their existence allows us to avoid wasting time here at AfD debating whether someone is notable per
WP:GNG because they are presumed to be obviously notable if, say, they participated in one NBA game. Nominating articles that obviously meet
WP:GNG here without performing
WP:BEFORE causes a number of editors to go through unnecessary work. In this AfD alone you can see the work performed by
Baby,
Rikster2,
John Pack Lambert,
EDDY ,
Rikster2,
Smartyllama,
Ejgreen77,
Rlendog, and myself. All of us have probably gone through the BEFORE exercise, or at least some portion that you did. These sports specific guidelines are here to save us that time so we can be making productive improvements to the encyclopedia elsewhere. If an editor makes continual frivolous nominations, they begin to disrupt the entire process; some editors have been subjected to sanctions for doing so. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia, and if you sincerely believe that a subject meets the valid reasons for deletion laid out in the
deletion policy, please continue to bring them here! But take care to consider our limited resources by first conducting a sincere
WP:BEFORE. Thanks!
Jacona (
talk) 14:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment@
JaconaFrere:I had done the
WP:BEFORE before nominated. If it is based on
WP:GNG the article pass. I AfD based on
WP:BASKETBALL. I know there are discussions on this inclusion/exclusion nobility topics and its disagreements. Since as you mentioned sport-specific-guidelines are exclusionary, not exclusionary then it should be kept.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk) 15:01, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Request for a closing admin: As the nominator asks to keep the article, please close this one quickly. Thanks! Thanks,
CASSIOPEIA for your prompt attention! It is greatly appreciated.
Jacona (
talk) 15:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
We can't close it early on nominator's request because
Johnpacklambert has !voted delete. However, it's going to be closed tomorrow anyway.
Smartyllama (
talk) 19:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Keep per Rikster2. Passes GNG.--
TM 21:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep meets GNG, plus competed for Canada in international play. ~EDDY(
talk/
contribs)~ 00:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete The articles only add up to routine coverage.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 01:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment No they are not, they are full stories centered around the subject. And if you don’t like those ones, try
this and
this and
this. Johnpacklambert, you are quickly losing credibility in AfD discussions. Fully 98.4% of your votes are Delete/Merge/Redirect (see
here) and many show a lack of
WP:BEFORE - not fully checking to see if the subject meets a notability guideline, not looking for sources, etc. If you are going to !vote indiscriminately why should we pay attention?
Rikster2 (
talk) 04:12, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Clearly passes
WP:GNG. I share other users' concerns about
Johnpacklambert. He's already been sanctioned for creating spurious AFDs without doing
WP:BEFORE, perhaps it's time to increase those sanctions.
Smartyllama (
talk) 17:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Just because the cabal of keepers for articles on sportspeople gets outraged, does not mean that nominating one line articles is in any way a "spurious" nomination.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 02:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
I vote Delete more than I vote keep, smart guy.
Rikster2 (
talk) 03:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
KeepWP:GNG is satisfied with the sources listed above. To the Nominator,
WP:GNG should be considered before looking at specific notability guidelines such as
WP:NBASKETBALL. These sport-specific-guidelines are inclusionary, not exclusionary. Their existence allows us to avoid wasting time here at AfD debating whether someone is notable per
WP:GNG because they are presumed to be obviously notable if, say, they participated in one NBA game. Nominating articles that obviously meet
WP:GNG here without performing
WP:BEFORE causes a number of editors to go through unnecessary work. In this AfD alone you can see the work performed by
Baby,
Rikster2,
John Pack Lambert,
EDDY ,
Rikster2,
Smartyllama,
Ejgreen77,
Rlendog, and myself. All of us have probably gone through the BEFORE exercise, or at least some portion that you did. These sports specific guidelines are here to save us that time so we can be making productive improvements to the encyclopedia elsewhere. If an editor makes continual frivolous nominations, they begin to disrupt the entire process; some editors have been subjected to sanctions for doing so. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia, and if you sincerely believe that a subject meets the valid reasons for deletion laid out in the
deletion policy, please continue to bring them here! But take care to consider our limited resources by first conducting a sincere
WP:BEFORE. Thanks!
Jacona (
talk) 14:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment@
JaconaFrere:I had done the
WP:BEFORE before nominated. If it is based on
WP:GNG the article pass. I AfD based on
WP:BASKETBALL. I know there are discussions on this inclusion/exclusion nobility topics and its disagreements. Since as you mentioned sport-specific-guidelines are exclusionary, not exclusionary then it should be kept.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk) 15:01, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Request for a closing admin: As the nominator asks to keep the article, please close this one quickly. Thanks! Thanks,
CASSIOPEIA for your prompt attention! It is greatly appreciated.
Jacona (
talk) 15:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
We can't close it early on nominator's request because
Johnpacklambert has !voted delete. However, it's going to be closed tomorrow anyway.
Smartyllama (
talk) 19:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.