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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Cabayi ( talk) 12:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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Non-notable subsidiary. Article's author finds a redirect to the parent company unacceptable. Cabayi ( talk) 13:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator additional source shows some sign of a claim of notability. Cabayi ( talk) 12:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Cabayi ( talk) 13:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Cabayi ( talk) 13:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - per apparent failure of WP:BEFORE, precisely D. Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability. The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search. Please, bear in mind that, when searching through news coverage on the internet, the Serbian media in their coverage barely refers to "Leoni Wiring Systems Southeast" company under its full legal name, rather as just Leoni. Also, a focus should not be on a relationship between its parent company and Leoni in Serbia, but on it as a notable Serbian company with foreign capital (in a country of 7 million people, with 2.5 million labor force), which has around 6,000 employees making it one of the largest companies in Serbia. Also, almost every statement in the article has an independent reference, in line with WP:ORG.-- AirWolf talk 01:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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AirWolf, the references provided are (broken links to) listings in business registries (fail
WP:NCORP), an article in dw.com which focuses on the use of subsidies to attract investment into eastern Europe, or
WP:CRYSTAL articles about factories that will be built. I agree the focus should not be on its relationship with the parent company but you don't make any assertions of notability for the subsidiary. The assertion you made here, that it's one of the largest companies in Serbia, would (if supported by
reliable,
verifiable,
independent sources) answer all my issues with the article.
Cabayi (
talk)
06:45, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Cabayi When it comes to its size, financial figures and notability - "One of the largest companies in Serbia" - СТО НАЈ... ПРИВРЕДНИХ ДРУШТАВА У РЕПУБЛИЦИ СРБИЈИ У 2016, apr.gov.rs, page 16-17 (in Serbian). I'll try to find a solution for "broken links" to financial figures, somehow there is a problem when trying to reach a specified link in website's repository. When it comes to other references, the WP:BALL that you have pointed to is not violated - even when it comes to facilities that are being built, there are no violations. For example, the same principle was applied when Apple's second campus was being built. -- AirWolf talk 11:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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AirWolf, the references provided are (broken links to) listings in business registries (fail
WP:NCORP), an article in dw.com which focuses on the use of subsidies to attract investment into eastern Europe, or
WP:CRYSTAL articles about factories that will be built. I agree the focus should not be on its relationship with the parent company but you don't make any assertions of notability for the subsidiary. The assertion you made here, that it's one of the largest companies in Serbia, would (if supported by
reliable,
verifiable,
independent sources) answer all my issues with the article.
Cabayi (
talk)
06:45, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure i find 62nd & 65th to be really notable but it is a claim to some notability so I've added that to the article & withdraw the AfD nomination. Thanks for the further research and I hope you manage to find a fix for the broken links. Cabayi ( talk) 12:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Cabayi ( talk) 12:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Leoni Wiring Systems Southeast ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non-notable subsidiary. Article's author finds a redirect to the parent company unacceptable. Cabayi ( talk) 13:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator additional source shows some sign of a claim of notability. Cabayi ( talk) 12:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Cabayi ( talk) 13:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Cabayi ( talk) 13:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - per apparent failure of WP:BEFORE, precisely D. Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability. The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search. Please, bear in mind that, when searching through news coverage on the internet, the Serbian media in their coverage barely refers to "Leoni Wiring Systems Southeast" company under its full legal name, rather as just Leoni. Also, a focus should not be on a relationship between its parent company and Leoni in Serbia, but on it as a notable Serbian company with foreign capital (in a country of 7 million people, with 2.5 million labor force), which has around 6,000 employees making it one of the largest companies in Serbia. Also, almost every statement in the article has an independent reference, in line with WP:ORG.-- AirWolf talk 01:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
-
AirWolf, the references provided are (broken links to) listings in business registries (fail
WP:NCORP), an article in dw.com which focuses on the use of subsidies to attract investment into eastern Europe, or
WP:CRYSTAL articles about factories that will be built. I agree the focus should not be on its relationship with the parent company but you don't make any assertions of notability for the subsidiary. The assertion you made here, that it's one of the largest companies in Serbia, would (if supported by
reliable,
verifiable,
independent sources) answer all my issues with the article.
Cabayi (
talk)
06:45, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Cabayi When it comes to its size, financial figures and notability - "One of the largest companies in Serbia" - СТО НАЈ... ПРИВРЕДНИХ ДРУШТАВА У РЕПУБЛИЦИ СРБИЈИ У 2016, apr.gov.rs, page 16-17 (in Serbian). I'll try to find a solution for "broken links" to financial figures, somehow there is a problem when trying to reach a specified link in website's repository. When it comes to other references, the WP:BALL that you have pointed to is not violated - even when it comes to facilities that are being built, there are no violations. For example, the same principle was applied when Apple's second campus was being built. -- AirWolf talk 11:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
-
AirWolf, the references provided are (broken links to) listings in business registries (fail
WP:NCORP), an article in dw.com which focuses on the use of subsidies to attract investment into eastern Europe, or
WP:CRYSTAL articles about factories that will be built. I agree the focus should not be on its relationship with the parent company but you don't make any assertions of notability for the subsidiary. The assertion you made here, that it's one of the largest companies in Serbia, would (if supported by
reliable,
verifiable,
independent sources) answer all my issues with the article.
Cabayi (
talk)
06:45, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure i find 62nd & 65th to be really notable but it is a claim to some notability so I've added that to the article & withdraw the AfD nomination. Thanks for the further research and I hope you manage to find a fix for the broken links. Cabayi ( talk) 12:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.