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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 06:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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In spite of being the location of a post office, everything I could find indicates it was a rail location, with one source referring to it as "Leliter siding". It was used as a staging area for construction of the California Aqueduct, and possibly there was a work camp here at the time, but not too long after that the rails were taken up. I found one site with some pictures ostensibly taken there, but all they show is an array of concrete foundations which one would expect to support structural steel posts: they suggest a water tower or hopper, not anything like commercial or residential structures. At any rate even the ghost town websites seem to simply assume this was a town rather than report any thing that shows it was a town. The ever-reliable California railroad regulators approved the closing of a non-agency station here, and that and the post office are as close as anything gets to showing this was a town, and they aren't close enough. Note that it is necessary to put the name in quotes when using Google, because otherwise it makes lots of false matches. Mangoe ( talk) 06:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 06:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 06:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for locations. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Multiple reliable sources describe Leliter as a populated place:
- [1] - "Orand G. Siebenthal of Leliter, Kern county".
- [2] - Describes Leliter as a "small cluster of homes" and "a town".
- [3] - There was a school in Leliter.
- [4] - A "small town" which is "steadily growing and improving".
- [5] - Describes children coming from Leliter to attend school.
- [6] - Describes an earthquake being felt in Leliter by an observer "sitting in a new, 1-story, stucco house". Magnolia677 ( talk) 17:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per the excellent research by Magnolia677. Satisfies WP:NPLACE. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete yet another useless town stub. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) 16:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Blubabluba9990, in your month on Wikipedia you have made 58 edits, and nearly all of them have been to AFDs where you wrote "useless town stub". Could you expand on that? Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
17:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry there are a lot of them, and the responses just got condensed as I wrote more of them. By "useless town stub" I meant another one of those town articles that is one sentence long and has zero sources.
Blubabluba9990 (
talk)
01:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Blubabluba9990: Were you able to look at the sources above?
Magnolia677 (
talk)
11:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- They do not necessarily describe how the town is notable though. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) 13:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Blubabluba9990: Were you able to look at the sources above?
Magnolia677 (
talk)
11:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry there are a lot of them, and the responses just got condensed as I wrote more of them. By "useless town stub" I meant another one of those town articles that is one sentence long and has zero sources.
Blubabluba9990 (
talk)
01:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Blubabluba9990, in your month on Wikipedia you have made 58 edits, and nearly all of them have been to AFDs where you wrote "useless town stub". Could you expand on that? Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
17:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HistoricalAccountings ( talk) 06:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Towns, unlike people, don't need to establish notability, only official recognition. Per WP:NPLACE, "Cities and villages anywhere in the world are generally kept, regardless of size or length of existence, as long as that existence can be verified through a reliable source." That being said ... Clarityfiend ( talk) 03:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A couple of Magnolia677's sources identify it as a "railroad siding" and an "aqueduct supply station". The others aren't from (geographically) official sources. Clarityfiend ( talk) 03:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 06:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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In spite of being the location of a post office, everything I could find indicates it was a rail location, with one source referring to it as "Leliter siding". It was used as a staging area for construction of the California Aqueduct, and possibly there was a work camp here at the time, but not too long after that the rails were taken up. I found one site with some pictures ostensibly taken there, but all they show is an array of concrete foundations which one would expect to support structural steel posts: they suggest a water tower or hopper, not anything like commercial or residential structures. At any rate even the ghost town websites seem to simply assume this was a town rather than report any thing that shows it was a town. The ever-reliable California railroad regulators approved the closing of a non-agency station here, and that and the post office are as close as anything gets to showing this was a town, and they aren't close enough. Note that it is necessary to put the name in quotes when using Google, because otherwise it makes lots of false matches. Mangoe ( talk) 06:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 06:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 06:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for locations. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Multiple reliable sources describe Leliter as a populated place:
- [1] - "Orand G. Siebenthal of Leliter, Kern county".
- [2] - Describes Leliter as a "small cluster of homes" and "a town".
- [3] - There was a school in Leliter.
- [4] - A "small town" which is "steadily growing and improving".
- [5] - Describes children coming from Leliter to attend school.
- [6] - Describes an earthquake being felt in Leliter by an observer "sitting in a new, 1-story, stucco house". Magnolia677 ( talk) 17:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per the excellent research by Magnolia677. Satisfies WP:NPLACE. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete yet another useless town stub. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) 16:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Blubabluba9990, in your month on Wikipedia you have made 58 edits, and nearly all of them have been to AFDs where you wrote "useless town stub". Could you expand on that? Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
17:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry there are a lot of them, and the responses just got condensed as I wrote more of them. By "useless town stub" I meant another one of those town articles that is one sentence long and has zero sources.
Blubabluba9990 (
talk)
01:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Blubabluba9990: Were you able to look at the sources above?
Magnolia677 (
talk)
11:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- They do not necessarily describe how the town is notable though. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) 13:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Blubabluba9990: Were you able to look at the sources above?
Magnolia677 (
talk)
11:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry there are a lot of them, and the responses just got condensed as I wrote more of them. By "useless town stub" I meant another one of those town articles that is one sentence long and has zero sources.
Blubabluba9990 (
talk)
01:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Blubabluba9990, in your month on Wikipedia you have made 58 edits, and nearly all of them have been to AFDs where you wrote "useless town stub". Could you expand on that? Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
17:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HistoricalAccountings ( talk) 06:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Towns, unlike people, don't need to establish notability, only official recognition. Per WP:NPLACE, "Cities and villages anywhere in the world are generally kept, regardless of size or length of existence, as long as that existence can be verified through a reliable source." That being said ... Clarityfiend ( talk) 03:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A couple of Magnolia677's sources identify it as a "railroad siding" and an "aqueduct supply station". The others aren't from (geographically) official sources. Clarityfiend ( talk) 03:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.