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Nominating all 33 articles for deletion. All of them are non-notable
Drake songs from his last three musical releases. While every song managed to chart, this no longer seems to be anything of merit, with peoples
whole albums managing to chat on the Hot 100 and corresponding charts nowadays. No mentions in third-party sources.
Azealia911talk12:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: I don't mind having articles for songs that have charted. That being said, if consensus dictates these songs should not have standalone articles, we should redirect, not delete. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)14:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect - Viable search terms, especially if they charted to some degree, but not enough content to warrant stand alone articles for each one.
Sergecross73msg me15:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Ohh my fault. Bad examples. You're clearly a hipster then. What I meant to say was that we should delete all of
Azealia Banks songs that have articles since they have absolutely NOOOOOOOO value whatsoever.
Drizzy010 (
talk)
16:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Drizzy010, please comment on content, not contributors. Like I said, if you feel so irritated that you want to
nominate articles for deletion to 'get back' at an editor, feel free. These nominations are not to say that your hard work isn't appreciated and I can understand that 32 articles you just created from redirects all being redirected back again at once must be frustrating, but they are simply not notable. Per
WP:NSONGS, while charting history is a positive factor in determining whether a song is notable enough for it's own article, it must first and foremost be mentioned in multiple, reliable third sources (outside of album reviews). This is the reason I have nominated these titles for deletion, because unless they are all
fluffed up with album reviews, they will all remain stub-short articles.
Azealia911talk16:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Edit: Given that Drizzy010 demanded the deletion of other articles should these 32 be redirected, which looks like it will be the case, I have looked over their suggestions and taken to nominate several non-notable songs from Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly album
here.
Azealia911talk20:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Drizzy, please don't fall into the
"other stuff exists" mindset, it won't get you anywhere on Wikpedia. Don't focus on other stuff out there that may or not be appropriate for articles, focus on showing that there's sourcing and content to be said about these individual songs other than the fact that they briefly charted. These tiny stub song articles, as is, when faced under scrutiny, are almost always redirected, unless you've got some huge ideas for expansion or something...
Sergecross73msg me18:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Lol, I think he simply doesn't know about the 4-tilda signing thing, so he copied and modified the closest sig here. I just changed the sigs back to standard sigs.
Robman94 (
talk)
18:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect to parent album articles; merge content where appropriate. Charting does not automatically make a song notable or suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia.
WP:NSONG clearly says that factors such as charting suggest that a song or single may be notable, though a standalone article should still satisfy the aforementioned criteria of be[ing] the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label.Chase (
talk |
contributions)
21:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Note if possible, could the closing admin delete then redirect these titles? It'd be much easier than possibly reverting restorations and protecting 33 articles. Thanks.
Azealia911talk20:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)reply
I completely disagree. Please do not delete and redirect. Just redirect. We should preserve the articles' histories and have foundations for expansion if any of these songs become notable enough. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)19:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Nominating all 33 articles for deletion. All of them are non-notable
Drake songs from his last three musical releases. While every song managed to chart, this no longer seems to be anything of merit, with peoples
whole albums managing to chat on the Hot 100 and corresponding charts nowadays. No mentions in third-party sources.
Azealia911talk12:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: I don't mind having articles for songs that have charted. That being said, if consensus dictates these songs should not have standalone articles, we should redirect, not delete. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)14:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect - Viable search terms, especially if they charted to some degree, but not enough content to warrant stand alone articles for each one.
Sergecross73msg me15:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Ohh my fault. Bad examples. You're clearly a hipster then. What I meant to say was that we should delete all of
Azealia Banks songs that have articles since they have absolutely NOOOOOOOO value whatsoever.
Drizzy010 (
talk)
16:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Drizzy010, please comment on content, not contributors. Like I said, if you feel so irritated that you want to
nominate articles for deletion to 'get back' at an editor, feel free. These nominations are not to say that your hard work isn't appreciated and I can understand that 32 articles you just created from redirects all being redirected back again at once must be frustrating, but they are simply not notable. Per
WP:NSONGS, while charting history is a positive factor in determining whether a song is notable enough for it's own article, it must first and foremost be mentioned in multiple, reliable third sources (outside of album reviews). This is the reason I have nominated these titles for deletion, because unless they are all
fluffed up with album reviews, they will all remain stub-short articles.
Azealia911talk16:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Edit: Given that Drizzy010 demanded the deletion of other articles should these 32 be redirected, which looks like it will be the case, I have looked over their suggestions and taken to nominate several non-notable songs from Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly album
here.
Azealia911talk20:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Drizzy, please don't fall into the
"other stuff exists" mindset, it won't get you anywhere on Wikpedia. Don't focus on other stuff out there that may or not be appropriate for articles, focus on showing that there's sourcing and content to be said about these individual songs other than the fact that they briefly charted. These tiny stub song articles, as is, when faced under scrutiny, are almost always redirected, unless you've got some huge ideas for expansion or something...
Sergecross73msg me18:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Lol, I think he simply doesn't know about the 4-tilda signing thing, so he copied and modified the closest sig here. I just changed the sigs back to standard sigs.
Robman94 (
talk)
18:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect to parent album articles; merge content where appropriate. Charting does not automatically make a song notable or suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia.
WP:NSONG clearly says that factors such as charting suggest that a song or single may be notable, though a standalone article should still satisfy the aforementioned criteria of be[ing] the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label.Chase (
talk |
contributions)
21:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Note if possible, could the closing admin delete then redirect these titles? It'd be much easier than possibly reverting restorations and protecting 33 articles. Thanks.
Azealia911talk20:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)reply
I completely disagree. Please do not delete and redirect. Just redirect. We should preserve the articles' histories and have foundations for expansion if any of these songs become notable enough. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)19:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.