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The result was keep. Nakon 05:17, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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Flagrant advertising. Reads like a directory, too. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 06:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Mergeto Phase One (company). Both articles definitely suffer from COI editing and I've removed the sales brochure material from both. [1], [2] -- NeilN talk to me 14:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)- Keep per Dennis below. Thanks Dennis. -- NeilN talk to me 00:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:SURMOUNTABLE. "Written like an ad" or like a directory is fixable by rewriting. Notability is clearly asserted and verifiable
[3]
[4]. --
Dennis Bratland (
talk)
15:22, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- @
Dennis Bratland: Two brief mentions about the same product and nothing about the company itself. Am I missing something? --
NeilN
talk to me
22:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Those citations establish the pioneering status of the product, which meets the minimum to keep the article. Which means we're done here. The rest is cleanup. Most of this happened in the early 90s before Google put all the news online, so you have to go to sources like General OneFile, Questia and HighBeam to find coverage of the first medium-format digital camera back, and other products. For example, a 1,400-word article "Studio swear by their digitals" Mitzi Waltz. MacWEEK. 7.7 (Feb. 15, 1993) p38. Or Leeke, Jim. "Photo departments rely on quality, flexibility of the Mac." MacWEEK 12 Apr. 1993: 33+. General OneFile. That one is 1,900 words. "Digital studio cameras." Editor & Publisher 20 Feb. 1993: P7. Describes the Hasselblad DB 4000 553ELX camera combined with the Leaf camera back. Taylor, Wendy. "Lights ... camera ... computer?" PC/Computing Feb. 1994: 198+. 3,000 words. These articles describe the recurring role the Leaf cameras played in the transformation of the high-end, professional studio photography industry, prior to the move of the technology into the consumer mainstream. I haven't even scratched on the the Israeli press here. This is all beyond the scope of AfD. We know notability exists; now it's a matter of dealing with how to present it and what to say, which can be handled on the article's talk page. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 23:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- @
Dennis Bratland: Two brief mentions about the same product and nothing about the company itself. Am I missing something? --
NeilN
talk to me
22:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per guidance and links given above. especially note reference 4. Leaf was an obvious pioneer in digital photographic hardware, dating back to 1991. Irondome ( talk) 22:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Nakon 05:17, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- Leaf (Israeli company) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Flagrant advertising. Reads like a directory, too. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 06:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Mergeto Phase One (company). Both articles definitely suffer from COI editing and I've removed the sales brochure material from both. [1], [2] -- NeilN talk to me 14:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)- Keep per Dennis below. Thanks Dennis. -- NeilN talk to me 00:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:SURMOUNTABLE. "Written like an ad" or like a directory is fixable by rewriting. Notability is clearly asserted and verifiable
[3]
[4]. --
Dennis Bratland (
talk)
15:22, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- @
Dennis Bratland: Two brief mentions about the same product and nothing about the company itself. Am I missing something? --
NeilN
talk to me
22:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Those citations establish the pioneering status of the product, which meets the minimum to keep the article. Which means we're done here. The rest is cleanup. Most of this happened in the early 90s before Google put all the news online, so you have to go to sources like General OneFile, Questia and HighBeam to find coverage of the first medium-format digital camera back, and other products. For example, a 1,400-word article "Studio swear by their digitals" Mitzi Waltz. MacWEEK. 7.7 (Feb. 15, 1993) p38. Or Leeke, Jim. "Photo departments rely on quality, flexibility of the Mac." MacWEEK 12 Apr. 1993: 33+. General OneFile. That one is 1,900 words. "Digital studio cameras." Editor & Publisher 20 Feb. 1993: P7. Describes the Hasselblad DB 4000 553ELX camera combined with the Leaf camera back. Taylor, Wendy. "Lights ... camera ... computer?" PC/Computing Feb. 1994: 198+. 3,000 words. These articles describe the recurring role the Leaf cameras played in the transformation of the high-end, professional studio photography industry, prior to the move of the technology into the consumer mainstream. I haven't even scratched on the the Israeli press here. This is all beyond the scope of AfD. We know notability exists; now it's a matter of dealing with how to present it and what to say, which can be handled on the article's talk page. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 23:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- @
Dennis Bratland: Two brief mentions about the same product and nothing about the company itself. Am I missing something? --
NeilN
talk to me
22:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per guidance and links given above. especially note reference 4. Leaf was an obvious pioneer in digital photographic hardware, dating back to 1991. Irondome ( talk) 22:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:00, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:00, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:00, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
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