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The result was no consensus. This bundled AFD is a mess to sort out. The nominator has decided to withdraw it and present all of the articles in individual AFDs or at least in smaller bundles where the different articles have more relation to each other than simply having "Mill" in the article title. This appears to be the best route to achieving consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Lawthorne Mill, Virginia
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This is a bundle of articles that were created from GNIS listings which erroneously list them as "populated places" despite being run-of-the-mill, well, mills. See WP:GNIS for more information about this common source of error. I'm including a fairly small batch of articles that meet the following criteria:
- Not a "populated, legally recognized place" that would have presumed notability under WP:GEOLAND
- No evidence of a community (post office, school, mentions of people being "from" there, etc)
- Confirmed to be an actual mill (current or historical) at the location
- No significant coverage that would meet WP:GNG – dlthewave ☎ 15:36, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
* Lewis Mill, Missouri ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – dlthewave ☎ 15:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Indiana, Missouri, Virginia, and West Virginia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Star Mill, Indiana to Star Milling and Electric Company Historic District. Delete Fletcher Mill, Virginia, and Aylett Mill, Virginia. That's as many as I could get through without being bored to tears. It probably wasn't the greatest idea to bundle this nomination: was there any reason why you couldn't have used WP:PROD? Well, it's too late now, I guess. Lewis Mill, Missouri appears to have at least a nearby bridge named after it and a local beekeeping store, which suggests there's Something at that location, but whether it's a true community is entirely lost on me. casualdejekyll 18:40, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all Mass-produced junk for non-notable places. Make whatever redirects you want later, it's not worth keeping the history of page that falsely claims a mill is a community. Reywas92 Talk 02:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Lawthorne Mill, Virginia. I didn't find anything significant. The bundling is unfortunate as some of the other articles I've briefly researched have a large number of sources. This will be very difficult to navigate. Jacona ( talk) 12:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Hoover Mill, Indiana. I found lots of references to Hoover Mill or Hoover's Mill in Indiana. It seems that there were several such mills, but none of the ones I found mentioned were in Wayne County. Again, this bundling is very unfortunate in that there is no relationship whatsoever between the articles other than how they were created, and their notability is across the board. I'm working on the obvious deletes first, because deletion is so much easier to justify than keeping. Jacona ( talk) 13:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Lewis Mill, Missouri. A search of newspapers.com shows this is a populated place that will meet
WP:GEOLAND. Because of the bundling, this is going to take some time to gather clippings, and I may never get around evaluating all of the articles, but this one is a keep.
Jacona (
talk)
13:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per references in article and above. Djflem ( talk) 17:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Aylett Mill, Virginia. Didn't find anything that looked relevant on gSearch or newspapers.com. Jacona ( talk) 13:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The rest of these, based on newspapers.com search are going to be a mix of deletes and keeps, probably more deletes than keeps, but some of both. Jacona ( talk) 13:20, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Procedural Keep this bundled nomination fails to correctly address the individual issues in each particular case. While some are literal mills, others like Lewis Mill and Star Mill have a genuine history that can be covered. The nominator should have nominated these individually.
casualdejekyll
14:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Would support procedural keep, since a cursory examination reveals a poor Wikipedia:BEFORE, making this bundle, well, more than just mills. Djflem ( talk) 17:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Withdrawing Lewis Mill (nom) - There seems to be enough evidence of a community here that it shouldn't be bundled, although I'd like to see more SIGCOV sourcing. Note that this location in Clariton County, MO shouldn't be confused with another Lewis Mill in Daviess County, MO which has a namesake bridge where a historic gristmill was uncovered. – dlthewave ☎ 17:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Star Mill, Indiana to Star Milling and Electric Company Historic District. Jacona ( talk) 18:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Dunn Mill, Indiana to Lake Township, Allen County, Indiana, where the community is mentioned. Per Wikipedia:NGEO If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it. Djflem ( talk) 06:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I don't believe we have any sourcing that would support inclusion in the "unincorporated communities" section of the article. This was just a mill, and we don't usually include lists of mills in township articles unless something more can be written about its history etc. – dlthewave ☎ 12:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 10:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Dunn Mill. While I found lots of info on newspapers.com, it referenced the mill, not a community. Jacona ( talk) 13:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This is going to be a mess to close (a variety of different opinions on different articles) and I don't anticipate a closure happening very soon. I recommend a procedural close/withdrawal and then nominating these articles individually. Liz Read! Talk! 06:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz, I think it makes sense to withdraw. If you close this one then I'll open individual AfDs and ping those who've already participated. –
dlthewave
☎
13:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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dlthewave, I think a withdrawal of the nomination makes sense but I can't close on that basis since there are votes to Delete some of the articles. I think the best resolution is a No Consensus closure which I think is a valid closure given how all over the map this discussion has been.
Liz
Read!
Talk!
06:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, good point. I would be happy with that as well. – dlthewave ☎ 12:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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dlthewave, I think a withdrawal of the nomination makes sense but I can't close on that basis since there are votes to Delete some of the articles. I think the best resolution is a No Consensus closure which I think is a valid closure given how all over the map this discussion has been.
Liz
Read!
Talk!
06:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz, I think it makes sense to withdraw. If you close this one then I'll open individual AfDs and ping those who've already participated. –
dlthewave
☎
13:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. This bundled AFD is a mess to sort out. The nominator has decided to withdraw it and present all of the articles in individual AFDs or at least in smaller bundles where the different articles have more relation to each other than simply having "Mill" in the article title. This appears to be the best route to achieving consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Lawthorne Mill, Virginia
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
This is a bundle of articles that were created from GNIS listings which erroneously list them as "populated places" despite being run-of-the-mill, well, mills. See WP:GNIS for more information about this common source of error. I'm including a fairly small batch of articles that meet the following criteria:
- Not a "populated, legally recognized place" that would have presumed notability under WP:GEOLAND
- No evidence of a community (post office, school, mentions of people being "from" there, etc)
- Confirmed to be an actual mill (current or historical) at the location
- No significant coverage that would meet WP:GNG – dlthewave ☎ 15:36, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
* Lewis Mill, Missouri ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – dlthewave ☎ 15:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Indiana, Missouri, Virginia, and West Virginia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Star Mill, Indiana to Star Milling and Electric Company Historic District. Delete Fletcher Mill, Virginia, and Aylett Mill, Virginia. That's as many as I could get through without being bored to tears. It probably wasn't the greatest idea to bundle this nomination: was there any reason why you couldn't have used WP:PROD? Well, it's too late now, I guess. Lewis Mill, Missouri appears to have at least a nearby bridge named after it and a local beekeeping store, which suggests there's Something at that location, but whether it's a true community is entirely lost on me. casualdejekyll 18:40, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all Mass-produced junk for non-notable places. Make whatever redirects you want later, it's not worth keeping the history of page that falsely claims a mill is a community. Reywas92 Talk 02:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Lawthorne Mill, Virginia. I didn't find anything significant. The bundling is unfortunate as some of the other articles I've briefly researched have a large number of sources. This will be very difficult to navigate. Jacona ( talk) 12:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Hoover Mill, Indiana. I found lots of references to Hoover Mill or Hoover's Mill in Indiana. It seems that there were several such mills, but none of the ones I found mentioned were in Wayne County. Again, this bundling is very unfortunate in that there is no relationship whatsoever between the articles other than how they were created, and their notability is across the board. I'm working on the obvious deletes first, because deletion is so much easier to justify than keeping. Jacona ( talk) 13:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Lewis Mill, Missouri. A search of newspapers.com shows this is a populated place that will meet
WP:GEOLAND. Because of the bundling, this is going to take some time to gather clippings, and I may never get around evaluating all of the articles, but this one is a keep.
Jacona (
talk)
13:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per references in article and above. Djflem ( talk) 17:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Aylett Mill, Virginia. Didn't find anything that looked relevant on gSearch or newspapers.com. Jacona ( talk) 13:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The rest of these, based on newspapers.com search are going to be a mix of deletes and keeps, probably more deletes than keeps, but some of both. Jacona ( talk) 13:20, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Procedural Keep this bundled nomination fails to correctly address the individual issues in each particular case. While some are literal mills, others like Lewis Mill and Star Mill have a genuine history that can be covered. The nominator should have nominated these individually.
casualdejekyll
14:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Would support procedural keep, since a cursory examination reveals a poor Wikipedia:BEFORE, making this bundle, well, more than just mills. Djflem ( talk) 17:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Withdrawing Lewis Mill (nom) - There seems to be enough evidence of a community here that it shouldn't be bundled, although I'd like to see more SIGCOV sourcing. Note that this location in Clariton County, MO shouldn't be confused with another Lewis Mill in Daviess County, MO which has a namesake bridge where a historic gristmill was uncovered. – dlthewave ☎ 17:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Star Mill, Indiana to Star Milling and Electric Company Historic District. Jacona ( talk) 18:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Dunn Mill, Indiana to Lake Township, Allen County, Indiana, where the community is mentioned. Per Wikipedia:NGEO If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it. Djflem ( talk) 06:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I don't believe we have any sourcing that would support inclusion in the "unincorporated communities" section of the article. This was just a mill, and we don't usually include lists of mills in township articles unless something more can be written about its history etc. – dlthewave ☎ 12:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 10:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Dunn Mill. While I found lots of info on newspapers.com, it referenced the mill, not a community. Jacona ( talk) 13:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This is going to be a mess to close (a variety of different opinions on different articles) and I don't anticipate a closure happening very soon. I recommend a procedural close/withdrawal and then nominating these articles individually. Liz Read! Talk! 06:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz, I think it makes sense to withdraw. If you close this one then I'll open individual AfDs and ping those who've already participated. –
dlthewave
☎
13:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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dlthewave, I think a withdrawal of the nomination makes sense but I can't close on that basis since there are votes to Delete some of the articles. I think the best resolution is a No Consensus closure which I think is a valid closure given how all over the map this discussion has been.
Liz
Read!
Talk!
06:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, good point. I would be happy with that as well. – dlthewave ☎ 12:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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dlthewave, I think a withdrawal of the nomination makes sense but I can't close on that basis since there are votes to Delete some of the articles. I think the best resolution is a No Consensus closure which I think is a valid closure given how all over the map this discussion has been.
Liz
Read!
Talk!
06:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz, I think it makes sense to withdraw. If you close this one then I'll open individual AfDs and ping those who've already participated. –
dlthewave
☎
13:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.