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Keep - Article topic is broadly discussed in international media. The 'fake news' claim doesn't seem relevant to notability; even if the LGBT-free zones are a hoax, the topic has still received significant coverage worldwide over an extended period of time.
38.142.216.106 (
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17:03, 5 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge to
LGBT rights in Poland. This topic is essentially a political ploy and propaganda from both sides is at its heart. The major reportable events are a 'rainbow Virgin' and 'anti-LGBT' stickers being distributed. In the scope of
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:RECENT, there is no need to give this development more prominence than it deserves.
Elizium23 (
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13:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge as in above comment by Elizium23. It's a short-term phenomenon, mostly being repeated by the news, because it's touching the sensationalist/sensitive topic of LGBT, not because any actual restrictions were put in place. Nobody forced LGBT people to leave the supposed zones, or prevented letting them in. All municipal/governmental services work normally there like in other parts of the country. --
Wanted (
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22:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. Wide coverage in international media of legislation by regional governments (states), and stickers. On going coverage for several months. Note to closer: Canvassing to this AfD in extreme-right Polish media and social media.
AstuteRed (
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05:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your comment
AstuteRed, and congratulations on your second week being the Wikipedian. Welcome. I believe, however, that you are mistaken; there is no "On going coverage for several months". News sources used as a reference to draft this article date to less than two weeks period of July 27 - August 9, 2019. After that, there is no news coverage.GizzyCatBella🍁17:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Then it should be described as such, that relatively high percentage of people in Poland are against LGBT agenda, but not as LGBT-free zones, which simply do not exist in reality, except for imagination of certain politicians/media/activists. --
Wanted (
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16:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Which would be an argument for a re-rewrite, not a delete. You maybe right this may well only be in the imagination go "certain politicians/media/activists", but that still mean it is notable, as they have noted it.
Slatersteven (
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16:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
The sources you presented cover violence/restrictions against LGBTQ; LGBT-free zones are only passing if at all present. So how did you come up with 3 weeks count? July when the news hit the air was over 3 months ago
[7] Yes, old news, and we are not
WP:NOTNEWS.GizzyCatBella🍁18:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Violence/restrictions against LGBTQ, Yes, being discussed in connection with LGBT-free zones, it does not matter if they only mention the zones in passing its still coverage of the issue and its impact on the LGBTQ communuity. As to how did I come up with the three week count, the AFD was launched on the 5th of November, at least one of the above is from the 16th of October, thus about three weeks ago.
Slatersteven (
talk)
18:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
It means it is still (the whole issue, and the issues surrounding it) in the news, that is what sustained coverage is, it continues to have ripples long after the main event.
Slatersteven (
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10:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. Preposterous nomination, Wikipedia is not a LGBT-free zone and Reuters and Washington Post are not fake news. Reuters reported on these anti-LGBT hate declarations in May:
[8]. Washington Post in July:
[9]. Telegraph in August:
[10]. Feature reporting. More after election. Also in November, Nixmag:
[11] reports: "Queer party Homobloc has teamed up with LGBT+ human rights group All Out amid homophobic violence and discrimination in Poland. The partnership comes after 30 towns and villages in Poland declared 'LGBT-free zones' and the leader of the ruling party (PiS) said the LGBT+ community was "a threat to Poland, our nation and its existence".".
Catogato (
talk)
08:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep The subject is well-documented in Polish and foreign media. These declarations are a fact, and a phenomenon notable enough to warrant keeping this article.
— bieχχ (
talk)
17:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Keep - Article topic is broadly discussed in international media. The 'fake news' claim doesn't seem relevant to notability; even if the LGBT-free zones are a hoax, the topic has still received significant coverage worldwide over an extended period of time.
38.142.216.106 (
talk)
17:03, 5 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge to
LGBT rights in Poland. This topic is essentially a political ploy and propaganda from both sides is at its heart. The major reportable events are a 'rainbow Virgin' and 'anti-LGBT' stickers being distributed. In the scope of
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:RECENT, there is no need to give this development more prominence than it deserves.
Elizium23 (
talk)
13:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge as in above comment by Elizium23. It's a short-term phenomenon, mostly being repeated by the news, because it's touching the sensationalist/sensitive topic of LGBT, not because any actual restrictions were put in place. Nobody forced LGBT people to leave the supposed zones, or prevented letting them in. All municipal/governmental services work normally there like in other parts of the country. --
Wanted (
talk)
22:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. Wide coverage in international media of legislation by regional governments (states), and stickers. On going coverage for several months. Note to closer: Canvassing to this AfD in extreme-right Polish media and social media.
AstuteRed (
talk)
05:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your comment
AstuteRed, and congratulations on your second week being the Wikipedian. Welcome. I believe, however, that you are mistaken; there is no "On going coverage for several months". News sources used as a reference to draft this article date to less than two weeks period of July 27 - August 9, 2019. After that, there is no news coverage.GizzyCatBella🍁17:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Then it should be described as such, that relatively high percentage of people in Poland are against LGBT agenda, but not as LGBT-free zones, which simply do not exist in reality, except for imagination of certain politicians/media/activists. --
Wanted (
talk)
16:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Which would be an argument for a re-rewrite, not a delete. You maybe right this may well only be in the imagination go "certain politicians/media/activists", but that still mean it is notable, as they have noted it.
Slatersteven (
talk)
16:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
The sources you presented cover violence/restrictions against LGBTQ; LGBT-free zones are only passing if at all present. So how did you come up with 3 weeks count? July when the news hit the air was over 3 months ago
[7] Yes, old news, and we are not
WP:NOTNEWS.GizzyCatBella🍁18:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Violence/restrictions against LGBTQ, Yes, being discussed in connection with LGBT-free zones, it does not matter if they only mention the zones in passing its still coverage of the issue and its impact on the LGBTQ communuity. As to how did I come up with the three week count, the AFD was launched on the 5th of November, at least one of the above is from the 16th of October, thus about three weeks ago.
Slatersteven (
talk)
18:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
It means it is still (the whole issue, and the issues surrounding it) in the news, that is what sustained coverage is, it continues to have ripples long after the main event.
Slatersteven (
talk)
10:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. Preposterous nomination, Wikipedia is not a LGBT-free zone and Reuters and Washington Post are not fake news. Reuters reported on these anti-LGBT hate declarations in May:
[8]. Washington Post in July:
[9]. Telegraph in August:
[10]. Feature reporting. More after election. Also in November, Nixmag:
[11] reports: "Queer party Homobloc has teamed up with LGBT+ human rights group All Out amid homophobic violence and discrimination in Poland. The partnership comes after 30 towns and villages in Poland declared 'LGBT-free zones' and the leader of the ruling party (PiS) said the LGBT+ community was "a threat to Poland, our nation and its existence".".
Catogato (
talk)
08:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep The subject is well-documented in Polish and foreign media. These declarations are a fact, and a phenomenon notable enough to warrant keeping this article.
— bieχχ (
talk)
17:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.