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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Kyell Gold
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While he has won an Ursa Major Award, this has historically not been considered a "major" award to meet WP:NAUTHOR (especially after Ursa Major's article was deleted). Most of the sources are interviews, unreliable furry fandom blogs, the publication company of his books, or other wikis. A search for reliable sources found nothing whatsoever, just the same blogs and interviews already in the article. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 17:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete Finding nothing about him in independent sources. Both of the publishing houses that publish his books are his own. Lamona ( talk) 17:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete? Or move? The interview in Slate should be considered notable, right? But we need two notable sources for inclusion. If the article is not deleted, it should be moved to Tim Susman. Kawayama ( talk) 12:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete
CommentWith so many books, and apparently more Ursa Major Awards than anyone else, it seems possible to me that at least some of these books pass WP:NBOOK. If there are a handful of books with 2 RS reviews each, that would substantiate WP:NAUTHOR. Deletion feels premature until someone tries all these titles at Kirkus, Publishers Weekly, Booklist, etc. It also would be worth determining if there are any specialist magazines that quality as RS, like Asimov's Science Fiction, which might also carry reviews. (I don't mean that Asimov's might have reviewed them-- but is there such a thing as an RS furry magazine?) ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 07:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, I gave it my best try, but I couldn't turn up any reviews that weren't clearly user-generated content. It looks like the RS coverage is just the handful of interviews, plus an "author spotlight" (which is also an interview) in Lightspeed. It's my understanding that interviews don't count toward notability. It seems like a shame, since he seems like a prominent figure within his subcommunity, but that doesn't appear to translate into external coverage of the sort wikipedia seeks. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 14:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Kyell Gold
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- Kyell Gold ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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While he has won an Ursa Major Award, this has historically not been considered a "major" award to meet WP:NAUTHOR (especially after Ursa Major's article was deleted). Most of the sources are interviews, unreliable furry fandom blogs, the publication company of his books, or other wikis. A search for reliable sources found nothing whatsoever, just the same blogs and interviews already in the article. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 17:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 17:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 17:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sexuality and gender, and California. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Finding nothing about him in independent sources. Both of the publishing houses that publish his books are his own. Lamona ( talk) 17:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete? Or move? The interview in Slate should be considered notable, right? But we need two notable sources for inclusion. If the article is not deleted, it should be moved to Tim Susman. Kawayama ( talk) 12:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete
CommentWith so many books, and apparently more Ursa Major Awards than anyone else, it seems possible to me that at least some of these books pass WP:NBOOK. If there are a handful of books with 2 RS reviews each, that would substantiate WP:NAUTHOR. Deletion feels premature until someone tries all these titles at Kirkus, Publishers Weekly, Booklist, etc. It also would be worth determining if there are any specialist magazines that quality as RS, like Asimov's Science Fiction, which might also carry reviews. (I don't mean that Asimov's might have reviewed them-- but is there such a thing as an RS furry magazine?) ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 07:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, I gave it my best try, but I couldn't turn up any reviews that weren't clearly user-generated content. It looks like the RS coverage is just the handful of interviews, plus an "author spotlight" (which is also an interview) in Lightspeed. It's my understanding that interviews don't count toward notability. It seems like a shame, since he seems like a prominent figure within his subcommunity, but that doesn't appear to translate into external coverage of the sort wikipedia seeks. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 14:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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