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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Kunming wolfdog
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Fails GNG. Google books throws up a few self-published mentions, Google news has a few stories about Chinese authorities cloning some examples for police work, the best are this Daily Mail story, clearly not RS ( WP:DAILY MAIL) and this one from the South China Morning Post (RS for now, could change given current events). In my opinion this last source could be used to cite an entry at List of animals that have been cloned but is not enough to establish notability for the breed nor to warrant a redirect. Clearly all of the sources currently used in the article are not RS, neither are those used at Wolfdog#The Kunming wolfdog, so a merger to there would be inappropriate, that section should also be deleted. Cavalryman ( talk) 06:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC).
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Support. My view is that there is no "Kunming wolfdog" - the term "wolfdog" is used by the Chinese to describe the German shepherd. There is no evidence that this dog is a wolf-dog hybrid, and the media has led readers - including some academics who fail to question - to believe that it is a hybrid. We also have an issue with the name Kunming, which is a city in China; where the SCM Post article talks about Kunming Police dogs, that has been mis-interpreted by the journalist to report about the "Kunming wolfdogs", because that is a term used on the internet (at present, driven to some degree by Wikipedia). The name, along with "Kunming dog", appears in 6 articles in Google Scholar with no detail. There is one mention in Google Books that is a reliable source - Heise 2017 - but once again with no detail. Without detail, it fails WP:NOTABILITY. Yes, the dog exists, but that does not make it notable.
William Harris
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22:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Kunming wolfdog
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Fails GNG. Google books throws up a few self-published mentions, Google news has a few stories about Chinese authorities cloning some examples for police work, the best are this Daily Mail story, clearly not RS ( WP:DAILY MAIL) and this one from the South China Morning Post (RS for now, could change given current events). In my opinion this last source could be used to cite an entry at List of animals that have been cloned but is not enough to establish notability for the breed nor to warrant a redirect. Clearly all of the sources currently used in the article are not RS, neither are those used at Wolfdog#The Kunming wolfdog, so a merger to there would be inappropriate, that section should also be deleted. Cavalryman ( talk) 06:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC).
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 06:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 06:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Support. My view is that there is no "Kunming wolfdog" - the term "wolfdog" is used by the Chinese to describe the German shepherd. There is no evidence that this dog is a wolf-dog hybrid, and the media has led readers - including some academics who fail to question - to believe that it is a hybrid. We also have an issue with the name Kunming, which is a city in China; where the SCM Post article talks about Kunming Police dogs, that has been mis-interpreted by the journalist to report about the "Kunming wolfdogs", because that is a term used on the internet (at present, driven to some degree by Wikipedia). The name, along with "Kunming dog", appears in 6 articles in Google Scholar with no detail. There is one mention in Google Books that is a reliable source - Heise 2017 - but once again with no detail. Without detail, it fails WP:NOTABILITY. Yes, the dog exists, but that does not make it notable.
William Harris
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22:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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