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The result was keep. Kurykh ( talk) 00:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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Not a capital and few results came up. MTroll ( talk) 02:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- The town name itself is "Kudus", if you search for it I think you will get a lot of results. I titled the article "Kudus, Kudus", to disambiguate it from the regency it's in, which is also called Kudus. My understanding from WP:ID-NAME is that "Kudus, Kudus" is the appropriate way to title the town. Similar to Demak, Demak and others. Example external pages discussing Kudus: [1] (you can get the idea of the article using Google Translate). HaEr48 ( talk) 03:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Most cities of over 90,000+ people (and many much smaller) have articles. Passes
WP:GEOLAND as it is a census district: "populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable." It seems to have some interesting features, looking on Google maps street view. Is
Menara Kudus Mosque in the city of Kudus? Also interesting is that Google translator translates this locality as "Holy City" and the regency of Kudus as "Holy District." I get the impression that much more can be said.
Jack N. Stock (
talk)
03:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- The "Holy City" thing is probably a mistranslation. "Kudus" can also mean "holy" in Indonesian, although that meaning is slightly archaic (the more commonly used word is "
wikt:suci"). It is named that way because it used to be a centre of Islamic scholarship in the 16th-17th century (which also explains the famous mosque you mentioned), and is still famed today for that aspect of its history.
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- And this is the article in the Indonesian language Wikipedia:
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kota,_Kudus?
Jack N. Stock (
talk)
04:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, although I'm surprised that it called "Kota, Kudus" rather than "Kudus, Kudus" ("kota" means "city"). Looks like to distinguish from the regency, the town itself can also be called "Kota" or "Kota Kudus". Probably similar to how people use "the City" or "New York City" to distinguish the city from the state?
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- ID-wiki speaks of a specific kecamatan/subdistrict (named Kota) within the kabupaten/regency of Kudus. See for example this map. -- HyperGaruda ( talk) 16:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - not because I agree with the creator or the implication that encyclopediac 'inventions' suit the encyclopedia compared to what is found on the ground, when I travelled through Kudus during the new order era I never ever 'heard' or 'saw' anything that identified Kudus being 'Kudus Kudus' - Kota, yes.
- Note -the Keep is conditional on adequate redirect to and from the main 'Kota, Kudus' traditional name, and expansion - the wikiproject indonesia has a very large amount of one source one line stubs (too many) - I do think the standard needs to be raised for surviving stubs should have more than one ref, and more than one line of text - if it was not created by a very good and dedicated editor I would say delete without hesitation due the close to meaningless one line one ref (or less) stubs on the project (modified) JarrahTree 01:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, although I'm surprised that it called "Kota, Kudus" rather than "Kudus, Kudus" ("kota" means "city"). Looks like to distinguish from the regency, the town itself can also be called "Kota" or "Kota Kudus". Probably similar to how people use "the City" or "New York City" to distinguish the city from the state?
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- And this is the article in the Indonesian language Wikipedia:
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kota,_Kudus?
Jack N. Stock (
talk)
04:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- The "Holy City" thing is probably a mistranslation. "Kudus" can also mean "holy" in Indonesian, although that meaning is slightly archaic (the more commonly used word is "
wikt:suci"). It is named that way because it used to be a centre of Islamic scholarship in the 16th-17th century (which also explains the famous mosque you mentioned), and is still famed today for that aspect of its history.
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - For the most part, towns are considered to inherently be notable, and I don't see how this is any different. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 10:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GEOLAND; nom seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of notability criteria. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 00:44, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per nomination. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 20:49, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Kurykh ( talk) 00:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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Not a capital and few results came up. MTroll ( talk) 02:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- The town name itself is "Kudus", if you search for it I think you will get a lot of results. I titled the article "Kudus, Kudus", to disambiguate it from the regency it's in, which is also called Kudus. My understanding from WP:ID-NAME is that "Kudus, Kudus" is the appropriate way to title the town. Similar to Demak, Demak and others. Example external pages discussing Kudus: [1] (you can get the idea of the article using Google Translate). HaEr48 ( talk) 03:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Most cities of over 90,000+ people (and many much smaller) have articles. Passes
WP:GEOLAND as it is a census district: "populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable." It seems to have some interesting features, looking on Google maps street view. Is
Menara Kudus Mosque in the city of Kudus? Also interesting is that Google translator translates this locality as "Holy City" and the regency of Kudus as "Holy District." I get the impression that much more can be said.
Jack N. Stock (
talk)
03:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- The "Holy City" thing is probably a mistranslation. "Kudus" can also mean "holy" in Indonesian, although that meaning is slightly archaic (the more commonly used word is "
wikt:suci"). It is named that way because it used to be a centre of Islamic scholarship in the 16th-17th century (which also explains the famous mosque you mentioned), and is still famed today for that aspect of its history.
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- And this is the article in the Indonesian language Wikipedia:
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kota,_Kudus?
Jack N. Stock (
talk)
04:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, although I'm surprised that it called "Kota, Kudus" rather than "Kudus, Kudus" ("kota" means "city"). Looks like to distinguish from the regency, the town itself can also be called "Kota" or "Kota Kudus". Probably similar to how people use "the City" or "New York City" to distinguish the city from the state?
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- ID-wiki speaks of a specific kecamatan/subdistrict (named Kota) within the kabupaten/regency of Kudus. See for example this map. -- HyperGaruda ( talk) 16:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - not because I agree with the creator or the implication that encyclopediac 'inventions' suit the encyclopedia compared to what is found on the ground, when I travelled through Kudus during the new order era I never ever 'heard' or 'saw' anything that identified Kudus being 'Kudus Kudus' - Kota, yes.
- Note -the Keep is conditional on adequate redirect to and from the main 'Kota, Kudus' traditional name, and expansion - the wikiproject indonesia has a very large amount of one source one line stubs (too many) - I do think the standard needs to be raised for surviving stubs should have more than one ref, and more than one line of text - if it was not created by a very good and dedicated editor I would say delete without hesitation due the close to meaningless one line one ref (or less) stubs on the project (modified) JarrahTree 01:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, although I'm surprised that it called "Kota, Kudus" rather than "Kudus, Kudus" ("kota" means "city"). Looks like to distinguish from the regency, the town itself can also be called "Kota" or "Kota Kudus". Probably similar to how people use "the City" or "New York City" to distinguish the city from the state?
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- And this is the article in the Indonesian language Wikipedia:
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kota,_Kudus?
Jack N. Stock (
talk)
04:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- The "Holy City" thing is probably a mistranslation. "Kudus" can also mean "holy" in Indonesian, although that meaning is slightly archaic (the more commonly used word is "
wikt:suci"). It is named that way because it used to be a centre of Islamic scholarship in the 16th-17th century (which also explains the famous mosque you mentioned), and is still famed today for that aspect of its history.
HaEr48 (
talk)
04:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - For the most part, towns are considered to inherently be notable, and I don't see how this is any different. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 10:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GEOLAND; nom seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of notability criteria. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 00:44, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per nomination. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 20:49, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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