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Keep He is the co-author of a bestselling book and a main subject of of a wide release movie. Sources include
Herald-Mail Media and USA Today affiliate
Greatt Falls Tribune which are two reliable sources covering him that are not promotional and Paronto is the subject which demonstrates WP:GNG. A simple google search shows many sources and hits. Certainly he Played an important role in a significant military event covered in multiple, reliable sources and easily satisfies that criteria listed in
WP:NSOLDIER. --
DHeyward (
talk) 19:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Strong keep per
DHeyward and Captain Raju. Absolutely meets
WP:GNG. After it closes, nominator might need to be
trouted for this AfD. -- ψλ ● ✉✓ 00:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Deleteweak keep revised 18:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC) -- "Notable" for only one thing. Can be mentioned in other places where and if he is significant factor.
SPECIFICOtalk 19:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
No harm done keeping this a while and doing another AfD after awhile if it doesn't get any better. I don't consider the personal history of his family, etc. or other currently cited material sufficient for long term notability.
SPECIFICOtalk 18:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
User:SPECIFICO Many of our subjects derive their notability from one thing or event.
Mr Ernie (
talk) 20:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep played a prominent role in the Benghazi event and subsequent books and film. Passes GNG with ease.
Mr Ernie (
talk) 20:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
That coverage is awfully thin though. A note in the family section of a local paper, another promotional little bit basically announcing him as a speaker in a slightly bigger local paper, a few paragraphs in the IJR piece, and a book review. No, I don't think this is a lot.
Drmies (
talk) 02:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Er - sorry? The sources I posted are, respectively, 20 paragraphs, 70 paragraphs, 17 paragraphs, 40 paragraphs, 40 paragraphs. The 2 in DHeyward's post are 40 paragraphs and 10 paragraphs. Now they're newspaper paragraphs, not Russian novel paragraphs, but still, most of these are non-trivial indepth sources. And yes, they are local papers, but they are local papers unrelated to each other, and local to half a dozen states spread over half the country, and over 4 years. --
GRuban (
talk) 04:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Being covered in depth over numerous
WP:RS, this subject easily passes
WP:GNG. The article should be retained on wikipedia and expanded not deleted.
Lacypaperclip (
talk) 13:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep nominator didn't show how the subject failed GNG. As a co-author of best selling book and author another of another book recognized by independent sourcees does surely meet GNG. The reference in the article alone do show this. In addition, the article is now
greatly improved from
this version with 4 refs when nominating to now
current version with additional content and improved sources. –
Ammarpad (
talk) 17:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
But the references are either promotional appearances related to his speaking tour or right-wing websites. Can you cite any mainstream news or analysis sources?
SPECIFICOtalk 17:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
New York Times has 3 articles.
[1], and here's one of a few
CNN refs and here's one of a dozen or
USAToday pieces. They show notability over many years and different topics. Here, for example, is his second book unrelated to the Benghazi attack being
reviewed in USAToday as a best-seller. National coverage in addition to local coverage over multiple topics. --
DHeyward (
talk) 01:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
@
SPECIFICO:, I come to respond with the sources, but there's already similar and better response. Pinging, in case not watching. –
Ammarpad (
talk) 05:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep - seems to meet GNG and possibly AUTHOR - probably due to his involvement in an incident that was a political scandal.
Icewhiz (
talk) 07:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Post-Benghazi activities appear to have enough coverage to overcome BLP1E.
ValarianB (
talk) 18:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Keep He is the co-author of a bestselling book and a main subject of of a wide release movie. Sources include
Herald-Mail Media and USA Today affiliate
Greatt Falls Tribune which are two reliable sources covering him that are not promotional and Paronto is the subject which demonstrates WP:GNG. A simple google search shows many sources and hits. Certainly he Played an important role in a significant military event covered in multiple, reliable sources and easily satisfies that criteria listed in
WP:NSOLDIER. --
DHeyward (
talk) 19:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Strong keep per
DHeyward and Captain Raju. Absolutely meets
WP:GNG. After it closes, nominator might need to be
trouted for this AfD. -- ψλ ● ✉✓ 00:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Deleteweak keep revised 18:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC) -- "Notable" for only one thing. Can be mentioned in other places where and if he is significant factor.
SPECIFICOtalk 19:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
No harm done keeping this a while and doing another AfD after awhile if it doesn't get any better. I don't consider the personal history of his family, etc. or other currently cited material sufficient for long term notability.
SPECIFICOtalk 18:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
User:SPECIFICO Many of our subjects derive their notability from one thing or event.
Mr Ernie (
talk) 20:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep played a prominent role in the Benghazi event and subsequent books and film. Passes GNG with ease.
Mr Ernie (
talk) 20:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)reply
That coverage is awfully thin though. A note in the family section of a local paper, another promotional little bit basically announcing him as a speaker in a slightly bigger local paper, a few paragraphs in the IJR piece, and a book review. No, I don't think this is a lot.
Drmies (
talk) 02:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Er - sorry? The sources I posted are, respectively, 20 paragraphs, 70 paragraphs, 17 paragraphs, 40 paragraphs, 40 paragraphs. The 2 in DHeyward's post are 40 paragraphs and 10 paragraphs. Now they're newspaper paragraphs, not Russian novel paragraphs, but still, most of these are non-trivial indepth sources. And yes, they are local papers, but they are local papers unrelated to each other, and local to half a dozen states spread over half the country, and over 4 years. --
GRuban (
talk) 04:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Being covered in depth over numerous
WP:RS, this subject easily passes
WP:GNG. The article should be retained on wikipedia and expanded not deleted.
Lacypaperclip (
talk) 13:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep nominator didn't show how the subject failed GNG. As a co-author of best selling book and author another of another book recognized by independent sourcees does surely meet GNG. The reference in the article alone do show this. In addition, the article is now
greatly improved from
this version with 4 refs when nominating to now
current version with additional content and improved sources. –
Ammarpad (
talk) 17:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
But the references are either promotional appearances related to his speaking tour or right-wing websites. Can you cite any mainstream news or analysis sources?
SPECIFICOtalk 17:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
New York Times has 3 articles.
[1], and here's one of a few
CNN refs and here's one of a dozen or
USAToday pieces. They show notability over many years and different topics. Here, for example, is his second book unrelated to the Benghazi attack being
reviewed in USAToday as a best-seller. National coverage in addition to local coverage over multiple topics. --
DHeyward (
talk) 01:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
@
SPECIFICO:, I come to respond with the sources, but there's already similar and better response. Pinging, in case not watching. –
Ammarpad (
talk) 05:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep - seems to meet GNG and possibly AUTHOR - probably due to his involvement in an incident that was a political scandal.
Icewhiz (
talk) 07:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Post-Benghazi activities appear to have enough coverage to overcome BLP1E.
ValarianB (
talk) 18:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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