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The result was redirect to FK Sloga Kraljevo. Fenix down ( talk) 17:31, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Kraljevo City Stadium
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Neighborhood sports stadium for minor league team that has been unsourced for over 9 years, no reliable sources found other than routine sports coverage and casual mention. Attempt to redirect reverted by a single editor who pointily reverted numerous unsourced articles from being redirected to their associated club articles, following a flap at RfD -- and perhaps one should take note that the editor in question, with only a handful of edits, has a user name identical to the stadium involved. [1]. Ravenswing 12:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The current tier of a club is irrelevant. The article was put to AFD just
to illustrate a point. The above user deleted or redirected half of the stadium articles from that country.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
12:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Hardly; I went through a list of 51 stadiums -- which are not remotely all the stadiums in the country -- and redirected 19, preferring that to deletion. The editor above reverted the redirects without a valid reason, and I suggest that he is the one being pointy. In any event, this article cannot be kept without reliable sourcing; I suggest that if Ludost Mlačani wishes to do the former, he ought to provide the latter. Ravenswing 12:48, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- 20. actually, just after a RfD debate about one stadium. 20 out of 51 of stadiums in a country, that were doing just fine for 10 years or more, some of them from the top league. If that is not a classic case of POINTY I do not know what is.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
12:54, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry to reveal it to you but I think that you are the one being POINTy here, Ludost.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
00:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Me? I am not the one who went to delete half of the stadiums in one country just after a RfD debate, where inconsistency and bias was presented. Imagine if someone went to delete half the stadiums in
/info/en/?search=Category:English_Football_League_venues. I am just trying to preserve encyclopedic content.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
14:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ludost Mlačani: Practically all of the articles this user has nominated are poor quality and fail GNG. Please be objective. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 07:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ludost Mlačani: First off, that RfD debate? Consensus ran unanimously against your POV. Secondly, I did not originally seek to delete any of these articles; instead, I redirected them to their associated teams, and it was you who forced AfDs. Thirdly, sure, let's examine the English top-flight stadium articles. The one with the least number of cites has more than every Serbian football stadium article combined. And we are not talking primary sources such as the stadia or team websites, but cites to several books, FIFA, the Times and the like. Finally, of course you're not trying to preserve "encyclopedic content" -- there was none to preserve. These articles contain nothing more than the location of these stadia, the teams associated with them, and their capacity ... information that was already in the team articles. What you are pushing is a personal crusade, one that accounts for nearly a fifth of your Wikipedia edits to date, and if you were truly seeking to preserve these articles, you would attempt to improve them. To date, you have not made a single productive edit to any Serbian football stadium article. Ravenswing 11:32, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Me? I am not the one who went to delete half of the stadiums in one country just after a RfD debate, where inconsistency and bias was presented. Imagine if someone went to delete half the stadiums in
/info/en/?search=Category:English_Football_League_venues. I am just trying to preserve encyclopedic content.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
14:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry to reveal it to you but I think that you are the one being POINTy here, Ludost.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
00:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- 20. actually, just after a RfD debate about one stadium. 20 out of 51 of stadiums in a country, that were doing just fine for 10 years or more, some of them from the top league. If that is not a classic case of POINTY I do not know what is.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
12:54, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 15:26, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 15:26, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - article fails GNG. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/redirect to the team. Unsourced single line stub, can be dealt with in the article on the team. significant coverage in reliable sources is required to satisfy WP:GNG. Polyamorph ( talk) 11:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to FK Sloga Kraljevo, the tenants/owners of this stadium. Giant Snowman 12:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- No objections to a redirect; that was my first choice. Ravenswing 19:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to FK Sloga Kraljevo possible search term. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 01:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to FK Sloga Kraljevo. Fenix down ( talk) 17:31, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Kraljevo City Stadium
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- Kraljevo City Stadium ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Neighborhood sports stadium for minor league team that has been unsourced for over 9 years, no reliable sources found other than routine sports coverage and casual mention. Attempt to redirect reverted by a single editor who pointily reverted numerous unsourced articles from being redirected to their associated club articles, following a flap at RfD -- and perhaps one should take note that the editor in question, with only a handful of edits, has a user name identical to the stadium involved. [1]. Ravenswing 12:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The current tier of a club is irrelevant. The article was put to AFD just
to illustrate a point. The above user deleted or redirected half of the stadium articles from that country.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
12:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Hardly; I went through a list of 51 stadiums -- which are not remotely all the stadiums in the country -- and redirected 19, preferring that to deletion. The editor above reverted the redirects without a valid reason, and I suggest that he is the one being pointy. In any event, this article cannot be kept without reliable sourcing; I suggest that if Ludost Mlačani wishes to do the former, he ought to provide the latter. Ravenswing 12:48, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- 20. actually, just after a RfD debate about one stadium. 20 out of 51 of stadiums in a country, that were doing just fine for 10 years or more, some of them from the top league. If that is not a classic case of POINTY I do not know what is.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
12:54, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry to reveal it to you but I think that you are the one being POINTy here, Ludost.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
00:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Me? I am not the one who went to delete half of the stadiums in one country just after a RfD debate, where inconsistency and bias was presented. Imagine if someone went to delete half the stadiums in
/info/en/?search=Category:English_Football_League_venues. I am just trying to preserve encyclopedic content.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
14:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ludost Mlačani: Practically all of the articles this user has nominated are poor quality and fail GNG. Please be objective. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 07:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ludost Mlačani: First off, that RfD debate? Consensus ran unanimously against your POV. Secondly, I did not originally seek to delete any of these articles; instead, I redirected them to their associated teams, and it was you who forced AfDs. Thirdly, sure, let's examine the English top-flight stadium articles. The one with the least number of cites has more than every Serbian football stadium article combined. And we are not talking primary sources such as the stadia or team websites, but cites to several books, FIFA, the Times and the like. Finally, of course you're not trying to preserve "encyclopedic content" -- there was none to preserve. These articles contain nothing more than the location of these stadia, the teams associated with them, and their capacity ... information that was already in the team articles. What you are pushing is a personal crusade, one that accounts for nearly a fifth of your Wikipedia edits to date, and if you were truly seeking to preserve these articles, you would attempt to improve them. To date, you have not made a single productive edit to any Serbian football stadium article. Ravenswing 11:32, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Me? I am not the one who went to delete half of the stadiums in one country just after a RfD debate, where inconsistency and bias was presented. Imagine if someone went to delete half the stadiums in
/info/en/?search=Category:English_Football_League_venues. I am just trying to preserve encyclopedic content.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
14:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry to reveal it to you but I think that you are the one being POINTy here, Ludost.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
00:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- 20. actually, just after a RfD debate about one stadium. 20 out of 51 of stadiums in a country, that were doing just fine for 10 years or more, some of them from the top league. If that is not a classic case of POINTY I do not know what is.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
12:54, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 15:26, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 15:26, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - article fails GNG. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/redirect to the team. Unsourced single line stub, can be dealt with in the article on the team. significant coverage in reliable sources is required to satisfy WP:GNG. Polyamorph ( talk) 11:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to FK Sloga Kraljevo, the tenants/owners of this stadium. Giant Snowman 12:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- No objections to a redirect; that was my first choice. Ravenswing 19:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to FK Sloga Kraljevo possible search term. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 01:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.