The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The editorial proclivity manifests as an inclination toward employing a criminal allegation as a veiled ad hominem assault, thereby propagating a semblance of revisionist historiography through the expurgation of his article subsequent to the emergence of unfavorable public relations.
It is most certainly not the case; there is significant editorial bias with respect to this petition for deletion merely because Kouichirou Itou was accused of a nefarious crime; unconvicted. This article existed before this negative media came to light; which suggests there is truth value to my claim here.
This individual is quite clearly notable. See this, and other data easily available at the internet (with a little effort).
By deleting articles as a knee-jerk response to alleged criminal behavior; you debase the credibility of wikipedia itself as a reliable tool to procure reliable information.
This is clearly not the case. Just because someone is accused of a crime (mind you, he is not convicted) does not you can debase their credibility entirely. There are many articles describing the notability of this individual; but they're being ignored simply because he was accused of committing a crime. I see extreme editorial bias here. This article needs to stay.
146.229.255.21 (
talk)
19:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: You are free to add information to the article that speaks to his
notability beyond being accused of a crime. That is in fact the point here: if there is nothing in the article except the fact that he's been arrested (not convicted), then the article should not stay due to violations of the
biographies of living persons guidelines. If the article is deleted it can always be recreated in line with Wikipedia's policies. ...discospinstertalk20:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You would consider doing a better job as editor; you're clearly bias. This wasn't hard to dig up.
7TH AACTA AWARDS PRESENTED BY FOXTEL All Winners – by Category
YOUR NAME: Genki Kawamura, Katsuhiro Takei, KOUICHIROU ITOU, Yoshihiro Furusawa
You are actively debasing wikipedia itself as a credible source of reliable information because you are trying to wipe notable people away from history because of an accusation; at someone who has not been convicted. Unfortunately, this is not hard to see. Tis the season for revisionist history?
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
01:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You are undermining an individual of obvious nobility given the nature of this particular case of extreme editorial bias. This debases the credibility of wikipedia itself. With a little effort; you will find other sources pointing to Kouichirou Itou's obvious notability. Like this
Delete: I don't see coverage about him in Japanese news sources, or in anything really. I don't see notability at this time, not meeting notability for criminals (hasn't even been convicted yet).
Oaktree b (
talk)
21:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
"I don't see coverage about him in Japanese news sources"
If you have the data (logs) at your search at Japanese media, please put it in. Even without your input; I will hereby succinctly prove his nobility using a single source.
I've googled using source:.jp, in the news sections above, nothing comes up. From the source you've posted, we'll need a ton more sourcing than that. A name in a list alone doesn't make him notable, but it could indicate notability. Meaning if we have more, extensive sources, the article could potentially be kept.
Oaktree b (
talk)
14:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: I think Itou might have enough notability to have his own article; however, the article itself does not prove notability as it stands, so it requires way more work done before I think it should be considered being added to mainspace. There are two sentences here and one of them is about his criminal arrest, so it's just not ready.
Sarcataclysmal (
talk)
23:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
"I think Itou might have enough notability to have his own article" -Sarcataclysmal
Case in point. Kouichirou Itou is obviously notable. To ignore this fact would be to abstain from the use of all reason; undermining wikipedia itself as a reputable source of "facts". An accusation, sans a conviction is not grounds for challenging this individual of (obvious) notability. His works are certainly non-trivial. They're not hard to find.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
01:15, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Him having worked on various notable projects does not inherently make him notable. If someone had written an article on George Washington and included 3 lines of text, unless there was someone out there who saw this and began adding lines of citations and statements regarding his life and whatnot, then the article would by all means lack "notability" per the guidelines. You're arguing for a completely different thing than anyone else here is. If you're willing to sit here and argue with everyone, perhaps it would be wiser for you to verify Itou's notability yourself by adding content to the article.
Sarcataclysmal (
talk)
08:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Quite obviously incorrect, a projection crafted with extreme editorial bias given the nature of the criminal charges (of an unconvicted person). With a little effort one can find articles and data suggesting Kouichirou Itou's notability. See here; for example. Editorial standards at Wikipedia should be higher.
Delete not ready for mainspace. The IP, in addition to wildly brandishing a random PDF that contains no indication of notability, is also
canvassing for votes on off-wiki sites. They would do better to stop their tantrum and try to find sources that meet the criteria outlined at
WP:GNG.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk)
03:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
They already did; you just elected to ignore them. Just because you dislike Kouichirou Itou for simply being accused of a crime shouldn't give you the right to introduce extreme editorial bias. People like you debase the credibility of wikipedia itself. AACTA award nominations are certainly nontrivial. He's also been interviewed and was responsible for creating work alongside Makoto Shinkai here
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-04-28/interview-comix-wave-koichiro-ito/.115324
But again; you choose to ignore this.
Makoto Shinkai has a page; but it hasn't been marked for deletion. These people are publicly listed at the same, award winning, notable projects like
Your Name. At least this page will live on as a log indicating the questionable nature of
Wikipedia itself.
It's not a tantrum; I'm just acquainting fans of revisionist history; much like yourself about the actual facts. This article existed before bad PR related to Kouichirou Itou's alleged crimes which, again he has not yet been convicted for.
BEST ASIAN FILM
AACTA AWARD FOR BEST ASIAN FILM PRESENTED BY PR ASIA
BIRDSHOT Pamela L. Reyes
DANGAL Aamir Khan, Kiran Rao, Siddharth Roy Kapur
I AM NOT MADAME BOVARY Wang Zhonglei, Zhou Maofei, Hu Xiaofeng
KAASAV (TURTLE) Dr. Mohan Agashe, Sunil Sukthankar, Sumitra Bhave
OUR TIME WILL COME Roger Lee, Stephen Lam, Ann Hui
PINK Shoojit Sircar, Rashmi Sharma, Ronnie Lahiri, Sheel Kumar
TRAIN TO BUSAN Lee Dong-ha
WOLF WARRIOR 2 Zhang Miao, Guang Hailong
YOUR NAME Genki Kawamura, Katsuhiro Takei, Kouichurou Itou, Yoshihiro Furusawa
AACTA stands for Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts, a professional not-for-profit organisation of film and television practitioners in Australia. The organisation annually recognises and rewards achievement in Australian film and television with an awards ceremony.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Securing a nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film, presented by PR Asia, is a significant achievement that goes beyond the immediate acknowledgment by the Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts. This nomination serves as a powerful testament to the film's excellence and artistry, recognized by industry professionals and experts who play pivotal roles in shaping the trajectory of cinematic recognition.
The AACTA Awards, as a distinguished institution within the film industry, carry a weight of authority and discernment. The fact that a film is nominated for this particular accolade indicates that it has been identified among the outstanding works in Asian cinema. This recognition extends beyond local or regional acclaim, projecting the film onto an international stage where its merit is acknowledged and celebrated.
The nomination process itself reflects the stringent and high-quality standards associated with the AACTA Awards. Being nominated implies that the film has not only met but has surpassed expectations, standing out in a competitive landscape of cinematic creations. This distinction adds a layer of credibility to the film's craftsmanship and artistic vision.
Beyond the film itself, a nomination for such a prestigious award has a ripple effect on the individuals involved in its creation – from filmmakers to actors and various contributors. It offers them more than just a certificate; it opens doors to increased visibility and enhanced opportunities within the global film industry. The acknowledgment by the AACTA Awards serves as a professional validation, paving the way for future projects and collaborations.
In conclusion, a nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film presented by PR Asia is not merely an accolade; it is a recognition that reverberates through the broader cinematic landscape, positioning the film and its creators as notable contributors to the evolving tapestry of international cinema.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, we don't actually take what events say about themselves as true. For example, you might say that your opinion is worth more than everyone else's, but that isn't actually true.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk)
18:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete; I just can't see how this person is notable. There is the story about the arrest but that isn't enough by itself and I'm not seeing anything else significant.
Link20XX (
talk)
06:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
AACTA stands for Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts, a professional not-for-profit organisation of film and television practitioners in Australia. The organisation annually recognises and rewards achievement in Australian film and television with an awards ceremony.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film presented by PR Asia holds significance as it serves as a recognition by the Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts, an esteemed institution within the film industry. This nomination signifies that the film has been identified as one of the outstanding Asian films by industry professionals and experts.
Being nominated for such an award suggests notability for several reasons. Firstly, it indicates a level of excellence in filmmaking that has captured the attention and appreciation of a respected academy. This recognition goes beyond local acclaim, reaching an international platform and contributing to the film's prestige.
Secondly, the AACTA Awards are known for their discerning and high-quality standards, and being nominated attests to the film's ability to stand out in a competitive field. This acknowledgment can open doors for the filmmakers, actors, and other contributors, providing them with increased visibility and opportunities within the global film industry.
In conclusion, a nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film presented by PR Asia not only acknowledges the film's exceptional qualities but also elevates its standing in the broader cinematic landscape, thus suggesting notability within the industry.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Do you also make the claim that night is day? Or perhaps that warm is hot?
I'll gladly provide another source of notability. A sources used at Makoto Shinkai's page himself to illustrate notability; be the incompetent editors here themselves.
"Producer Koichiro Ito has been working alongside director at Inc. for more than a decade. He's been there, deep inside the creative process, for each one of Shinkai's films since , beginning with in 2003."
"Producer Koichiro Ito has been working alongside director at Inc. for more than a decade. He's been there, deep inside the creative process, for each one of Shinkai's films since , beginning with in 2003.". He is quite clearly notable.
Delete: current source about the arrest is the only one that is
WP:INDY and
WP:SIGCOV, but the reliability is iffy. there is some sourcing online but fails notability for criminals per Oaktree b, and even that sourcing from internet blogs is not really reliable. sourcing provided by the IP simply mentions the person in minor awards and other
WP:PRIMARY documents.
WP:SALT is applicable as well.
She wasafairy00:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Note: I don't know if this changes anything at all, but
more news about Itou and been reported. Would this make the article more notable and worth keeping?
ISD (
talk)
08:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The editorial proclivity manifests as an inclination toward employing a criminal allegation as a veiled ad hominem assault, thereby propagating a semblance of revisionist historiography through the expurgation of his article subsequent to the emergence of unfavorable public relations.
It is most certainly not the case; there is significant editorial bias with respect to this petition for deletion merely because Kouichirou Itou was accused of a nefarious crime; unconvicted. This article existed before this negative media came to light; which suggests there is truth value to my claim here.
This individual is quite clearly notable. See this, and other data easily available at the internet (with a little effort).
By deleting articles as a knee-jerk response to alleged criminal behavior; you debase the credibility of wikipedia itself as a reliable tool to procure reliable information.
This is clearly not the case. Just because someone is accused of a crime (mind you, he is not convicted) does not you can debase their credibility entirely. There are many articles describing the notability of this individual; but they're being ignored simply because he was accused of committing a crime. I see extreme editorial bias here. This article needs to stay.
146.229.255.21 (
talk)
19:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: You are free to add information to the article that speaks to his
notability beyond being accused of a crime. That is in fact the point here: if there is nothing in the article except the fact that he's been arrested (not convicted), then the article should not stay due to violations of the
biographies of living persons guidelines. If the article is deleted it can always be recreated in line with Wikipedia's policies. ...discospinstertalk20:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You would consider doing a better job as editor; you're clearly bias. This wasn't hard to dig up.
7TH AACTA AWARDS PRESENTED BY FOXTEL All Winners – by Category
YOUR NAME: Genki Kawamura, Katsuhiro Takei, KOUICHIROU ITOU, Yoshihiro Furusawa
You are actively debasing wikipedia itself as a credible source of reliable information because you are trying to wipe notable people away from history because of an accusation; at someone who has not been convicted. Unfortunately, this is not hard to see. Tis the season for revisionist history?
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
01:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You are undermining an individual of obvious nobility given the nature of this particular case of extreme editorial bias. This debases the credibility of wikipedia itself. With a little effort; you will find other sources pointing to Kouichirou Itou's obvious notability. Like this
Delete: I don't see coverage about him in Japanese news sources, or in anything really. I don't see notability at this time, not meeting notability for criminals (hasn't even been convicted yet).
Oaktree b (
talk)
21:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
"I don't see coverage about him in Japanese news sources"
If you have the data (logs) at your search at Japanese media, please put it in. Even without your input; I will hereby succinctly prove his nobility using a single source.
I've googled using source:.jp, in the news sections above, nothing comes up. From the source you've posted, we'll need a ton more sourcing than that. A name in a list alone doesn't make him notable, but it could indicate notability. Meaning if we have more, extensive sources, the article could potentially be kept.
Oaktree b (
talk)
14:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: I think Itou might have enough notability to have his own article; however, the article itself does not prove notability as it stands, so it requires way more work done before I think it should be considered being added to mainspace. There are two sentences here and one of them is about his criminal arrest, so it's just not ready.
Sarcataclysmal (
talk)
23:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
"I think Itou might have enough notability to have his own article" -Sarcataclysmal
Case in point. Kouichirou Itou is obviously notable. To ignore this fact would be to abstain from the use of all reason; undermining wikipedia itself as a reputable source of "facts". An accusation, sans a conviction is not grounds for challenging this individual of (obvious) notability. His works are certainly non-trivial. They're not hard to find.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
01:15, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Him having worked on various notable projects does not inherently make him notable. If someone had written an article on George Washington and included 3 lines of text, unless there was someone out there who saw this and began adding lines of citations and statements regarding his life and whatnot, then the article would by all means lack "notability" per the guidelines. You're arguing for a completely different thing than anyone else here is. If you're willing to sit here and argue with everyone, perhaps it would be wiser for you to verify Itou's notability yourself by adding content to the article.
Sarcataclysmal (
talk)
08:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Quite obviously incorrect, a projection crafted with extreme editorial bias given the nature of the criminal charges (of an unconvicted person). With a little effort one can find articles and data suggesting Kouichirou Itou's notability. See here; for example. Editorial standards at Wikipedia should be higher.
Delete not ready for mainspace. The IP, in addition to wildly brandishing a random PDF that contains no indication of notability, is also
canvassing for votes on off-wiki sites. They would do better to stop their tantrum and try to find sources that meet the criteria outlined at
WP:GNG.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk)
03:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
They already did; you just elected to ignore them. Just because you dislike Kouichirou Itou for simply being accused of a crime shouldn't give you the right to introduce extreme editorial bias. People like you debase the credibility of wikipedia itself. AACTA award nominations are certainly nontrivial. He's also been interviewed and was responsible for creating work alongside Makoto Shinkai here
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-04-28/interview-comix-wave-koichiro-ito/.115324
But again; you choose to ignore this.
Makoto Shinkai has a page; but it hasn't been marked for deletion. These people are publicly listed at the same, award winning, notable projects like
Your Name. At least this page will live on as a log indicating the questionable nature of
Wikipedia itself.
It's not a tantrum; I'm just acquainting fans of revisionist history; much like yourself about the actual facts. This article existed before bad PR related to Kouichirou Itou's alleged crimes which, again he has not yet been convicted for.
BEST ASIAN FILM
AACTA AWARD FOR BEST ASIAN FILM PRESENTED BY PR ASIA
BIRDSHOT Pamela L. Reyes
DANGAL Aamir Khan, Kiran Rao, Siddharth Roy Kapur
I AM NOT MADAME BOVARY Wang Zhonglei, Zhou Maofei, Hu Xiaofeng
KAASAV (TURTLE) Dr. Mohan Agashe, Sunil Sukthankar, Sumitra Bhave
OUR TIME WILL COME Roger Lee, Stephen Lam, Ann Hui
PINK Shoojit Sircar, Rashmi Sharma, Ronnie Lahiri, Sheel Kumar
TRAIN TO BUSAN Lee Dong-ha
WOLF WARRIOR 2 Zhang Miao, Guang Hailong
YOUR NAME Genki Kawamura, Katsuhiro Takei, Kouichurou Itou, Yoshihiro Furusawa
AACTA stands for Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts, a professional not-for-profit organisation of film and television practitioners in Australia. The organisation annually recognises and rewards achievement in Australian film and television with an awards ceremony.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Securing a nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film, presented by PR Asia, is a significant achievement that goes beyond the immediate acknowledgment by the Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts. This nomination serves as a powerful testament to the film's excellence and artistry, recognized by industry professionals and experts who play pivotal roles in shaping the trajectory of cinematic recognition.
The AACTA Awards, as a distinguished institution within the film industry, carry a weight of authority and discernment. The fact that a film is nominated for this particular accolade indicates that it has been identified among the outstanding works in Asian cinema. This recognition extends beyond local or regional acclaim, projecting the film onto an international stage where its merit is acknowledged and celebrated.
The nomination process itself reflects the stringent and high-quality standards associated with the AACTA Awards. Being nominated implies that the film has not only met but has surpassed expectations, standing out in a competitive landscape of cinematic creations. This distinction adds a layer of credibility to the film's craftsmanship and artistic vision.
Beyond the film itself, a nomination for such a prestigious award has a ripple effect on the individuals involved in its creation – from filmmakers to actors and various contributors. It offers them more than just a certificate; it opens doors to increased visibility and enhanced opportunities within the global film industry. The acknowledgment by the AACTA Awards serves as a professional validation, paving the way for future projects and collaborations.
In conclusion, a nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film presented by PR Asia is not merely an accolade; it is a recognition that reverberates through the broader cinematic landscape, positioning the film and its creators as notable contributors to the evolving tapestry of international cinema.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, we don't actually take what events say about themselves as true. For example, you might say that your opinion is worth more than everyone else's, but that isn't actually true.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk)
18:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete; I just can't see how this person is notable. There is the story about the arrest but that isn't enough by itself and I'm not seeing anything else significant.
Link20XX (
talk)
06:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
AACTA stands for Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts, a professional not-for-profit organisation of film and television practitioners in Australia. The organisation annually recognises and rewards achievement in Australian film and television with an awards ceremony.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film presented by PR Asia holds significance as it serves as a recognition by the Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts, an esteemed institution within the film industry. This nomination signifies that the film has been identified as one of the outstanding Asian films by industry professionals and experts.
Being nominated for such an award suggests notability for several reasons. Firstly, it indicates a level of excellence in filmmaking that has captured the attention and appreciation of a respected academy. This recognition goes beyond local acclaim, reaching an international platform and contributing to the film's prestige.
Secondly, the AACTA Awards are known for their discerning and high-quality standards, and being nominated attests to the film's ability to stand out in a competitive field. This acknowledgment can open doors for the filmmakers, actors, and other contributors, providing them with increased visibility and opportunities within the global film industry.
In conclusion, a nomination for the AACTA Award for Best Asian Film presented by PR Asia not only acknowledges the film's exceptional qualities but also elevates its standing in the broader cinematic landscape, thus suggesting notability within the industry.
45.45.17.170 (
talk)
12:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Do you also make the claim that night is day? Or perhaps that warm is hot?
I'll gladly provide another source of notability. A sources used at Makoto Shinkai's page himself to illustrate notability; be the incompetent editors here themselves.
"Producer Koichiro Ito has been working alongside director at Inc. for more than a decade. He's been there, deep inside the creative process, for each one of Shinkai's films since , beginning with in 2003."
"Producer Koichiro Ito has been working alongside director at Inc. for more than a decade. He's been there, deep inside the creative process, for each one of Shinkai's films since , beginning with in 2003.". He is quite clearly notable.
Delete: current source about the arrest is the only one that is
WP:INDY and
WP:SIGCOV, but the reliability is iffy. there is some sourcing online but fails notability for criminals per Oaktree b, and even that sourcing from internet blogs is not really reliable. sourcing provided by the IP simply mentions the person in minor awards and other
WP:PRIMARY documents.
WP:SALT is applicable as well.
She wasafairy00:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Note: I don't know if this changes anything at all, but
more news about Itou and been reported. Would this make the article more notable and worth keeping?
ISD (
talk)
08:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.