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The result was keep. Closing as Keep. Editors can discuss a possible page move on the article talk page. That's an editing decision. Liz Read! Talk! 01:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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No non-primary sources were given in the article. A quick WP:BEFORE gives an announcement from a city newspaper, an interview with a former coach and a routine match result, nothing that appears to guarantee notability. Very likely fails WP:GNG Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 15:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per NORG and the GNG. Do rename to
Korfbal Combinatie Capelle. This is not NLwiki!
gidonb (
talk)
00:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- What are the sources that make it fit NORG and GNG? Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 01:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- [1] Korfballers vechten hard voor hun club 'De Kapellen' wacht op plek in Schenkel-Oost. "Het vrije volk : democratisch-socialistisch dagblad". Rotterdam, 27-03-1980, p. 5. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 19-06-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010960497:mpeg21:p047
- [2] Hans de Kwant: Door en doorgezond' 'De Bermen speelt korfbal met visie' Van onze medewerker ANDRé KOUWENHOVEN. "Het vrije volk : democratisch-socialistisch dagblad". Rotterdam, 11-09-1980, p. 5. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 19-06-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010960654:mpeg21:p031
- [3] Timmers, Jan (4 December 2023). " KCC/CK Kozijnen belandt in zwaar weer". Het Kontakt IJssel en Lekstreek. Kontakt Media Partners. Retrieved 18 June 2024.
- The newer sources are not yet included in the national archives. Among the very recent news sources, the article by Jan Timmers stands out as it contains analysis. Note that the merger itself occurred in the coverage lull so we will need to do with these fine sources before and after.
gidonb (
talk)
01:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Meantime, I have identified a fourth source that supports notability. gidonb ( talk) 16:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- [4] Brassinga, Blanchefleur (6 December 2021). "
KCC in grote onzekerheid nu het straks dakloos is vanwege priklocatie in sporthal: 'Een enorme dreun'". Algemeen Dagblad. Rotterdam. Retrieved 19 June 2024.
- I have added even more SIGCOV. All in the article. Note that there are also a few sources, including the original one, that only support data. gidonb ( talk) 15:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The topic lacks significant coverage and fails GNG-- Saul McGill ( talk) 18:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. That's full-page coverage in those 1980s papers. We've got just enough for GNG in the articles brought forth by Gidonb, but given the first two articles I'm confident there's also much more out there that we just haven't found yet. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely! The merger falls into the website to archive lull. A lot of the information that we remove on Wikipedia does. The sources above and in the article prove beyond any doubt that there is no case for deletion. As the delete sayers do not deal with the sources, their opinions fall under the category of
WP:IDONTLIKEIT and bad research.
gidonb (
talk)
19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the new sources have more than convinced me the article should be kept. Didn't see the AfD got relisted for so long, but I'm ready to vote keep given the added material. However, I wouldn't call it "bad research", as
WP:BEFORE (what I did before nomination) isn't required to be fully exhaustive, although I don't deny your research was great!
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments! To the closing person, please note that the nominator has withdrawn. Also please move to the uncontested
Korfbal Combinatie Capelle.
gidonb (
talk)
20:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! The article is in much, much better shape than when I first nominated it. I trust you with the name, although you should be able to move the page yourself as there is no preexisting article there.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
21:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hopefully the closer will move it. It's all set up. gidonb ( talk) 21:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! The article is in much, much better shape than when I first nominated it. I trust you with the name, although you should be able to move the page yourself as there is no preexisting article there.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
21:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments! To the closing person, please note that the nominator has withdrawn. Also please move to the uncontested
Korfbal Combinatie Capelle.
gidonb (
talk)
20:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the new sources have more than convinced me the article should be kept. Didn't see the AfD got relisted for so long, but I'm ready to vote keep given the added material. However, I wouldn't call it "bad research", as
WP:BEFORE (what I did before nomination) isn't required to be fully exhaustive, although I don't deny your research was great!
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely! The merger falls into the website to archive lull. A lot of the information that we remove on Wikipedia does. The sources above and in the article prove beyond any doubt that there is no case for deletion. As the delete sayers do not deal with the sources, their opinions fall under the category of
WP:IDONTLIKEIT and bad research.
gidonb (
talk)
19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Closing as Keep. Editors can discuss a possible page move on the article talk page. That's an editing decision. Liz Read! Talk! 01:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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No non-primary sources were given in the article. A quick WP:BEFORE gives an announcement from a city newspaper, an interview with a former coach and a routine match result, nothing that appears to guarantee notability. Very likely fails WP:GNG Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 15:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Netherlands. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per NORG and the GNG. Do rename to
Korfbal Combinatie Capelle. This is not NLwiki!
gidonb (
talk)
00:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- What are the sources that make it fit NORG and GNG? Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 01:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- [1] Korfballers vechten hard voor hun club 'De Kapellen' wacht op plek in Schenkel-Oost. "Het vrije volk : democratisch-socialistisch dagblad". Rotterdam, 27-03-1980, p. 5. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 19-06-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010960497:mpeg21:p047
- [2] Hans de Kwant: Door en doorgezond' 'De Bermen speelt korfbal met visie' Van onze medewerker ANDRé KOUWENHOVEN. "Het vrije volk : democratisch-socialistisch dagblad". Rotterdam, 11-09-1980, p. 5. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 19-06-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010960654:mpeg21:p031
- [3] Timmers, Jan (4 December 2023). " KCC/CK Kozijnen belandt in zwaar weer". Het Kontakt IJssel en Lekstreek. Kontakt Media Partners. Retrieved 18 June 2024.
- The newer sources are not yet included in the national archives. Among the very recent news sources, the article by Jan Timmers stands out as it contains analysis. Note that the merger itself occurred in the coverage lull so we will need to do with these fine sources before and after.
gidonb (
talk)
01:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Meantime, I have identified a fourth source that supports notability. gidonb ( talk) 16:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- [4] Brassinga, Blanchefleur (6 December 2021). "
KCC in grote onzekerheid nu het straks dakloos is vanwege priklocatie in sporthal: 'Een enorme dreun'". Algemeen Dagblad. Rotterdam. Retrieved 19 June 2024.
- I have added even more SIGCOV. All in the article. Note that there are also a few sources, including the original one, that only support data. gidonb ( talk) 15:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The topic lacks significant coverage and fails GNG-- Saul McGill ( talk) 18:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. That's full-page coverage in those 1980s papers. We've got just enough for GNG in the articles brought forth by Gidonb, but given the first two articles I'm confident there's also much more out there that we just haven't found yet. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely! The merger falls into the website to archive lull. A lot of the information that we remove on Wikipedia does. The sources above and in the article prove beyond any doubt that there is no case for deletion. As the delete sayers do not deal with the sources, their opinions fall under the category of
WP:IDONTLIKEIT and bad research.
gidonb (
talk)
19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the new sources have more than convinced me the article should be kept. Didn't see the AfD got relisted for so long, but I'm ready to vote keep given the added material. However, I wouldn't call it "bad research", as
WP:BEFORE (what I did before nomination) isn't required to be fully exhaustive, although I don't deny your research was great!
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments! To the closing person, please note that the nominator has withdrawn. Also please move to the uncontested
Korfbal Combinatie Capelle.
gidonb (
talk)
20:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! The article is in much, much better shape than when I first nominated it. I trust you with the name, although you should be able to move the page yourself as there is no preexisting article there.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
21:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hopefully the closer will move it. It's all set up. gidonb ( talk) 21:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! The article is in much, much better shape than when I first nominated it. I trust you with the name, although you should be able to move the page yourself as there is no preexisting article there.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
21:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments! To the closing person, please note that the nominator has withdrawn. Also please move to the uncontested
Korfbal Combinatie Capelle.
gidonb (
talk)
20:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the new sources have more than convinced me the article should be kept. Didn't see the AfD got relisted for so long, but I'm ready to vote keep given the added material. However, I wouldn't call it "bad research", as
WP:BEFORE (what I did before nomination) isn't required to be fully exhaustive, although I don't deny your research was great!
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs)
20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely! The merger falls into the website to archive lull. A lot of the information that we remove on Wikipedia does. The sources above and in the article prove beyond any doubt that there is no case for deletion. As the delete sayers do not deal with the sources, their opinions fall under the category of
WP:IDONTLIKEIT and bad research.
gidonb (
talk)
19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.