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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. czar 01:01, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG: Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Seems to fail creative professional criteria. I was hoping to see she had won an Audie, but I did not find mention of such a win. I am admittedly unaware of video game awards, but I did not find any in WP:BEFORE. Searched Google News, Books, Proquest, Publishers Weekly, and other audiobook sources in BEFORE. In the course of this BEFORE, I added most of the audiobook reviews to the article and some external links. The article seems to be built off of IMDb and possibly her publisher's website in a different incarnation. Will withdraw the nomination if WP:HEY work reveals good secondary source coverage. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 01:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator -- DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 16:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment also checked her website, but it appears to be one page of a graphic with no real information. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 01:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. There are some magazine interviews online that discuss her narrating audio books like this one from
Bustle and there's also articles that mention her on
Anime News Network, such as
this one.
lullabying (
talk)
05:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Good find on the Bustle article. I was surprised I had not found that before, but then I saw that it's just a list entry without any review or comment on her work, so I don't think that counts as a reliable secondary source for significant covwrage. I don't know whether Anime News Network is considered a valid source--do you?--but in that article she was just listed as being in the cast, again without comment of her work. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 07:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP She played a notable character on the Code Geass show as well as the films of it. She played Subaru in .hack//Sign quite a notable role. Plus a notable reoccurring character in the Metal Gear series, as well as notable role on Tales of Symphonia.
WP:ENTERTAINER she is notable for having significant roles in notable media.
Dream Focus
16:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've never seen anything about the notability of characters within a production being important, just the production, and one would assume the wikilinked productions are that. Key is "If he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Do you know of reliable, independent coverage of her work in this field in secondary sources? Not just mentions that she's in the cast, but real critical assessment or feature articles in reliable secondary sources? If you know of some, will you add them here or to the article? The best I've found is reviews of her audiobook work and those are pretty brief. She's done the odd brief Q&A with her publisher and an author she's read for, but these are not independent. Thanks.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
16:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- The subject specific guideline for voice actors is
WP:ENTERTAINER. It reads: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
WP:NOTABILITY reads: A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline.
Wikipedia:Notability_(people) says the "Basic criteria" of the GNG makes them notable or "Additional criteria People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards." Entertainer is one of the additional criteria.
Dream Focus
17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it says "likely" and it says "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." At present, there are not significant sources known for the WP:ENTERTAINER claim. Please post if they exist; happy to add them and withdraw the nom if we can make the article stand on something other than info lifted from IMDb and other credits lists. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 17:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- The subject specific guideline for voice actors is
WP:ENTERTAINER. It reads: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
WP:NOTABILITY reads: A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline.
Wikipedia:Notability_(people) says the "Basic criteria" of the GNG makes them notable or "Additional criteria People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards." Entertainer is one of the additional criteria.
Dream Focus
17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've never seen anything about the notability of characters within a production being important, just the production, and one would assume the wikilinked productions are that. Key is "If he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Do you know of reliable, independent coverage of her work in this field in secondary sources? Not just mentions that she's in the cast, but real critical assessment or feature articles in reliable secondary sources? If you know of some, will you add them here or to the article? The best I've found is reviews of her audiobook work and those are pretty brief. She's done the odd brief Q&A with her publisher and an author she's read for, but these are not independent. Thanks.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
16:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment a radio show interview YouTube link recently added to the article makes me think she may have enough reliable secondary sources after all. I see that it is part of a longer interview, but the link to that one doesn't seem to be working. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 00:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep based on the multiple roles in significant productions. Rhino131 ( talk) 15:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment It's not quite enough to confidently say it's WP:SNOWing, but that's the forecast. Some editors found significant sources that I had not, namely multiple AudioFile reviews. It's still a poor article and I'll trim the "ographies" down a bit accordingly. The biographical coverage is scant and reliably sourced video coverage so poor that it's difficult to assess whether many of her roles have been significant (when she's one of many in a cast). But there is enough coverage of her work in audiobooks--I'll have to remember to look to AudioFile for more reviews when I look at other audiobooks and performers who don't necessarily win awards but have worked on many. Nomination withdrawn. Good work, all! -- DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 16:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. czar 01:01, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG: Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Seems to fail creative professional criteria. I was hoping to see she had won an Audie, but I did not find mention of such a win. I am admittedly unaware of video game awards, but I did not find any in WP:BEFORE. Searched Google News, Books, Proquest, Publishers Weekly, and other audiobook sources in BEFORE. In the course of this BEFORE, I added most of the audiobook reviews to the article and some external links. The article seems to be built off of IMDb and possibly her publisher's website in a different incarnation. Will withdraw the nomination if WP:HEY work reveals good secondary source coverage. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 01:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator -- DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 16:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 01:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment also checked her website, but it appears to be one page of a graphic with no real information. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 01:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. There are some magazine interviews online that discuss her narrating audio books like this one from
Bustle and there's also articles that mention her on
Anime News Network, such as
this one.
lullabying (
talk)
05:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Good find on the Bustle article. I was surprised I had not found that before, but then I saw that it's just a list entry without any review or comment on her work, so I don't think that counts as a reliable secondary source for significant covwrage. I don't know whether Anime News Network is considered a valid source--do you?--but in that article she was just listed as being in the cast, again without comment of her work. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 07:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP She played a notable character on the Code Geass show as well as the films of it. She played Subaru in .hack//Sign quite a notable role. Plus a notable reoccurring character in the Metal Gear series, as well as notable role on Tales of Symphonia.
WP:ENTERTAINER she is notable for having significant roles in notable media.
Dream Focus
16:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've never seen anything about the notability of characters within a production being important, just the production, and one would assume the wikilinked productions are that. Key is "If he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Do you know of reliable, independent coverage of her work in this field in secondary sources? Not just mentions that she's in the cast, but real critical assessment or feature articles in reliable secondary sources? If you know of some, will you add them here or to the article? The best I've found is reviews of her audiobook work and those are pretty brief. She's done the odd brief Q&A with her publisher and an author she's read for, but these are not independent. Thanks.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
16:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- The subject specific guideline for voice actors is
WP:ENTERTAINER. It reads: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
WP:NOTABILITY reads: A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline.
Wikipedia:Notability_(people) says the "Basic criteria" of the GNG makes them notable or "Additional criteria People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards." Entertainer is one of the additional criteria.
Dream Focus
17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it says "likely" and it says "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." At present, there are not significant sources known for the WP:ENTERTAINER claim. Please post if they exist; happy to add them and withdraw the nom if we can make the article stand on something other than info lifted from IMDb and other credits lists. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 17:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- The subject specific guideline for voice actors is
WP:ENTERTAINER. It reads: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
WP:NOTABILITY reads: A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline.
Wikipedia:Notability_(people) says the "Basic criteria" of the GNG makes them notable or "Additional criteria People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards." Entertainer is one of the additional criteria.
Dream Focus
17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've never seen anything about the notability of characters within a production being important, just the production, and one would assume the wikilinked productions are that. Key is "If he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Do you know of reliable, independent coverage of her work in this field in secondary sources? Not just mentions that she's in the cast, but real critical assessment or feature articles in reliable secondary sources? If you know of some, will you add them here or to the article? The best I've found is reviews of her audiobook work and those are pretty brief. She's done the odd brief Q&A with her publisher and an author she's read for, but these are not independent. Thanks.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
16:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment a radio show interview YouTube link recently added to the article makes me think she may have enough reliable secondary sources after all. I see that it is part of a longer interview, but the link to that one doesn't seem to be working. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 00:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep based on the multiple roles in significant productions. Rhino131 ( talk) 15:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment It's not quite enough to confidently say it's WP:SNOWing, but that's the forecast. Some editors found significant sources that I had not, namely multiple AudioFile reviews. It's still a poor article and I'll trim the "ographies" down a bit accordingly. The biographical coverage is scant and reliably sourced video coverage so poor that it's difficult to assess whether many of her roles have been significant (when she's one of many in a cast). But there is enough coverage of her work in audiobooks--I'll have to remember to look to AudioFile for more reviews when I look at other audiobooks and performers who don't necessarily win awards but have worked on many. Nomination withdrawn. Good work, all! -- DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 16:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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