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The result was merge to Khojaly massacre memorials. Sandstein 21:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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Article is only based on two partisan Azerbaidjani sources (violating WP:NPOV) – content not verifiable. Third-party sources missing. No Wikipedia quality standard. Notability contested WP:N Markus2685 ( talk) 17:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Why did you delete a source and some text when you added the AfD: 1? That's shady. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Actually it is not shady. I have just removed content that is not verifiable according to Wikipedia guidlines. Since you use the term "shady" – it is very shady how all these Khojaly memorial and commemoration articles are violating guidelines and are sourced with mainly non-reliable partisan Azerbaidjani sources and dead links, and thus are not fulfilling Wikipedia quality standards at all.
WP:VERIFY
Markus2685 (
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19:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- How can sources about a memorial existing be partisan? -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to have an article on an encyclopedia, it should at least follow the basic Wikipedia rules and guideines: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." WP:N Markus2685 ( talk) 16:52, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Actually it is not shady. I have just removed content that is not verifiable according to Wikipedia guidlines. Since you use the term "shady" – it is very shady how all these Khojaly memorial and commemoration articles are violating guidelines and are sourced with mainly non-reliable partisan Azerbaidjani sources and dead links, and thus are not fulfilling Wikipedia quality standards at all.
WP:VERIFY
Markus2685 (
talk)
19:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to Khojaly massacre memorials. A mention of it already exists there with the same image. I just tested at how it would look if this entire article were placed there and it fit nicely, without overpowering the list. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I also don't think you can have a merge tag and an AfD tag on at once? -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:18, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The subject is not notable enough to have its own page, it should be on the Khojaly Massacre page, or on the Khojaly massacre memorials page, if Khojaly massacre memorials survives the Afd discussion. WannaBeEditor ( talk) 03:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment No need for an article of its own about a rather "small" sculpture in the backyard of a library, which – and here is another main point – does not even mention "Khojaly massacre" with a single word. Markus2685 ( talk) 17:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to Khojaly massacre memorials, as per Mr. Magoo. Grand master 22:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep. The nomination is typical WP:DISC. The article is based on reliable sources. The monument is mentioned even on web-site Institut für Geschichtswissenschaften of Humbolt University and on district's web-site. The authors of the monument are also notable artists. There are articles about Akif Asgarov and Salhab Mammadov in Russian Wikipedia, and about Ibrahim Ahrari in Azerbaijan Wikipedia. I think it is enough to show the notability of the monument. -- Interfase ( talk) 20:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to Khojaly massacre memorials. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Merge Since the memorial does not name the massacre, only (apparently) being inspired by it, I do not think we need a substantive article. If kept, it should have the additional category Category:Buildings and structures in Steglitz-Zehlendorf in place of the Berlin one. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Khojaly massacre memorials. Sandstein 21:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Khojaly Massacre Memorial (Berlin) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article is only based on two partisan Azerbaidjani sources (violating WP:NPOV) – content not verifiable. Third-party sources missing. No Wikipedia quality standard. Notability contested WP:N Markus2685 ( talk) 17:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Why did you delete a source and some text when you added the AfD: 1? That's shady. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Actually it is not shady. I have just removed content that is not verifiable according to Wikipedia guidlines. Since you use the term "shady" – it is very shady how all these Khojaly memorial and commemoration articles are violating guidelines and are sourced with mainly non-reliable partisan Azerbaidjani sources and dead links, and thus are not fulfilling Wikipedia quality standards at all.
WP:VERIFY
Markus2685 (
talk)
19:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- How can sources about a memorial existing be partisan? -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to have an article on an encyclopedia, it should at least follow the basic Wikipedia rules and guideines: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." WP:N Markus2685 ( talk) 16:52, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Actually it is not shady. I have just removed content that is not verifiable according to Wikipedia guidlines. Since you use the term "shady" – it is very shady how all these Khojaly memorial and commemoration articles are violating guidelines and are sourced with mainly non-reliable partisan Azerbaidjani sources and dead links, and thus are not fulfilling Wikipedia quality standards at all.
WP:VERIFY
Markus2685 (
talk)
19:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to Khojaly massacre memorials. A mention of it already exists there with the same image. I just tested at how it would look if this entire article were placed there and it fit nicely, without overpowering the list. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I also don't think you can have a merge tag and an AfD tag on at once? -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 19:18, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The subject is not notable enough to have its own page, it should be on the Khojaly Massacre page, or on the Khojaly massacre memorials page, if Khojaly massacre memorials survives the Afd discussion. WannaBeEditor ( talk) 03:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment No need for an article of its own about a rather "small" sculpture in the backyard of a library, which – and here is another main point – does not even mention "Khojaly massacre" with a single word. Markus2685 ( talk) 17:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to Khojaly massacre memorials, as per Mr. Magoo. Grand master 22:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The nomination is typical WP:DISC. The article is based on reliable sources. The monument is mentioned even on web-site Institut für Geschichtswissenschaften of Humbolt University and on district's web-site. The authors of the monument are also notable artists. There are articles about Akif Asgarov and Salhab Mammadov in Russian Wikipedia, and about Ibrahim Ahrari in Azerbaijan Wikipedia. I think it is enough to show the notability of the monument. -- Interfase ( talk) 20:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to Khojaly massacre memorials. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 14:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Merge Since the memorial does not name the massacre, only (apparently) being inspired by it, I do not think we need a substantive article. If kept, it should have the additional category Category:Buildings and structures in Steglitz-Zehlendorf in place of the Berlin one. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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