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The result was Draftify.. Liz Read! Talk! 01:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Keystone Party of Manitoba
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Contested PROD. Non-notable political party, fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. Curbon7 ( talk) 13:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Libertarianism, Organizations, Politics, and Canada. Curbon7 ( talk) 13:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
*Weak keep: The citations I found (
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5]) provide a fair amount of
significant coverage, particularly for a newly formed (and verifiably registered) party.
Sal2100 (
talk)
17:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify: Changing above !vote based on arguments/comments made by Femke and Curbon7 below. The currently existing sources are a good start, but more WP:RS-based coverage is needed to pass WP:NORG and/or WP:GNG. Sal2100 ( talk) 16:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
DeleteDraftify Sources 1, 2 and 4 mostly based on quotes, and I don't think there is enough independent material to contribute towards notability. Source 3 and 5 are very short and contain mostly information about the system of registering rather than the party. Seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Femke ( talk) 18:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)- This political party will make an important impact in the 2023 election. They are one of two right wing parties in Manitoba and the other one is struggling with its popularity. this party will grow and make an impact. the article should not be deleted as more news articles have come out on this topic within the last 7 days of this comment
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
15:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Could you link those showing the ones that are independent, significant, secondary and reliable? If those sources don't exist yet, but will likely exist in the future, we can
WP:draftify the article, and move it back into mainspace when it has become
WP:notable. Note that Wikipedia is no
WP:CRYSTALBALL.
Femke (
talk)
16:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think draftification is a good alternative here. Curbon7 ( talk) 16:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Could you link those showing the ones that are independent, significant, secondary and reliable? If those sources don't exist yet, but will likely exist in the future, we can
WP:draftify the article, and move it back into mainspace when it has become
WP:notable. Note that Wikipedia is no
WP:CRYSTALBALL.
Femke (
talk)
16:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- This political party will make an important impact in the 2023 election. They are one of two right wing parties in Manitoba and the other one is struggling with its popularity. this party will grow and make an impact. the article should not be deleted as more news articles have come out on this topic within the last 7 days of this comment
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
15:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This appears notable based on its recognition as a provincial party and coverage in a major paper.
Bookworm857158367 (
talk)
21:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Bookworm857158367: Would you be willing to explain how the coverage is independent of the subject? I don't think recognition has any bearing on notability. Thanks,
Femke (
talk)
16:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- This political party will make an important impact in the 2023 election. They are one of two right wing parties in Manitoba and the other one is struggling with its popularity. this party will grow and make an impact. the article should not be deleted as more news articles have come out on this topic within the last 7 days of this comment. this article must remain up and be improved upon MBpoliticsGUY ( talk) 15:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Bookworm857158367: Would you be willing to explain how the coverage is independent of the subject? I don't think recognition has any bearing on notability. Thanks,
Femke (
talk)
16:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 18:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- I tried to add as much as i could using the parties website, social media, CBC reports, and stories from Manitobans Newspapers. I listed 9 new sources of information, but it would appear someone took it all down. There is a lot of information about this party, its odd that people are unwilling to add more to this article. there are defunct parties in Manitoba with less information available, yet have better articles than Keystone. very strange
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it was necessary to remove all of this information, but most of it was not appropriate. The WP:ABOUTSELF policy specifies that articles should not be based primarily on sources like own websites and social media. Femke ( talk) 19:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to add as much as i could using the parties website, social media, CBC reports, and stories from Manitobans Newspapers. I listed 9 new sources of information, but it would appear someone took it all down. There is a lot of information about this party, its odd that people are unwilling to add more to this article. there are defunct parties in Manitoba with less information available, yet have better articles than Keystone. very strange
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify as WP:TOOSOON, topic as it stands fail WP:NORG. HighKing ++ 15:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result was Draftify.. Liz Read! Talk! 01:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Keystone Party of Manitoba
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Contested PROD. Non-notable political party, fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. Curbon7 ( talk) 13:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Libertarianism, Organizations, Politics, and Canada. Curbon7 ( talk) 13:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
*Weak keep: The citations I found (
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5]) provide a fair amount of
significant coverage, particularly for a newly formed (and verifiably registered) party.
Sal2100 (
talk)
17:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify: Changing above !vote based on arguments/comments made by Femke and Curbon7 below. The currently existing sources are a good start, but more WP:RS-based coverage is needed to pass WP:NORG and/or WP:GNG. Sal2100 ( talk) 16:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
DeleteDraftify Sources 1, 2 and 4 mostly based on quotes, and I don't think there is enough independent material to contribute towards notability. Source 3 and 5 are very short and contain mostly information about the system of registering rather than the party. Seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Femke ( talk) 18:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)- This political party will make an important impact in the 2023 election. They are one of two right wing parties in Manitoba and the other one is struggling with its popularity. this party will grow and make an impact. the article should not be deleted as more news articles have come out on this topic within the last 7 days of this comment
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
15:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Could you link those showing the ones that are independent, significant, secondary and reliable? If those sources don't exist yet, but will likely exist in the future, we can
WP:draftify the article, and move it back into mainspace when it has become
WP:notable. Note that Wikipedia is no
WP:CRYSTALBALL.
Femke (
talk)
16:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think draftification is a good alternative here. Curbon7 ( talk) 16:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Could you link those showing the ones that are independent, significant, secondary and reliable? If those sources don't exist yet, but will likely exist in the future, we can
WP:draftify the article, and move it back into mainspace when it has become
WP:notable. Note that Wikipedia is no
WP:CRYSTALBALL.
Femke (
talk)
16:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- This political party will make an important impact in the 2023 election. They are one of two right wing parties in Manitoba and the other one is struggling with its popularity. this party will grow and make an impact. the article should not be deleted as more news articles have come out on this topic within the last 7 days of this comment
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
15:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This appears notable based on its recognition as a provincial party and coverage in a major paper.
Bookworm857158367 (
talk)
21:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Bookworm857158367: Would you be willing to explain how the coverage is independent of the subject? I don't think recognition has any bearing on notability. Thanks,
Femke (
talk)
16:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- This political party will make an important impact in the 2023 election. They are one of two right wing parties in Manitoba and the other one is struggling with its popularity. this party will grow and make an impact. the article should not be deleted as more news articles have come out on this topic within the last 7 days of this comment. this article must remain up and be improved upon MBpoliticsGUY ( talk) 15:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Bookworm857158367: Would you be willing to explain how the coverage is independent of the subject? I don't think recognition has any bearing on notability. Thanks,
Femke (
talk)
16:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 18:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- I tried to add as much as i could using the parties website, social media, CBC reports, and stories from Manitobans Newspapers. I listed 9 new sources of information, but it would appear someone took it all down. There is a lot of information about this party, its odd that people are unwilling to add more to this article. there are defunct parties in Manitoba with less information available, yet have better articles than Keystone. very strange
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it was necessary to remove all of this information, but most of it was not appropriate. The WP:ABOUTSELF policy specifies that articles should not be based primarily on sources like own websites and social media. Femke ( talk) 19:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to add as much as i could using the parties website, social media, CBC reports, and stories from Manitobans Newspapers. I listed 9 new sources of information, but it would appear someone took it all down. There is a lot of information about this party, its odd that people are unwilling to add more to this article. there are defunct parties in Manitoba with less information available, yet have better articles than Keystone. very strange
MBpoliticsGUY (
talk)
19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify as WP:TOOSOON, topic as it stands fail WP:NORG. HighKing ++ 15:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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