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The result was keep. Waggers TALK 16:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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Throughout the entire history of this article, it has been filled with a ton of unreferenced information. The only two existing citations prove the actor's appearances in a few of the works stated in the article. Also considering this is a BLP, it's time to blow it up and start over. DatGuy Talk Contribs 16:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. DatGuy Talk Contribs 16:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. As always, an actor's notability is not established by the article simply listing acting roles — having acting roles is literally the job description, so every actor who exists at all would get an automatic notability freebie if simply listing roles were all it took. Rather, an actor's notability hinges not on the list of roles itself but on the amount of reliable source coverage about him and his roles that can or can't be used to support the article with — biographical articles about him, reviews of his film or television projects which single out his performance for dedicated attention (as opposed to just namechecking his presence), evidence that he's been a winner of or nominee for a major acting award, etc. — but the only "references" here are a schedule listing on the self-published website of the television network that aired a show he was in and an IMDB-like directory of voice actors, neither of which are reliable or notability-building sources at all, and the amount of completely unreferenced information here implies conflict of interest editing by the subject or somebody close to him. Bearcat ( talk) 17:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. —
FilmandTVFan28 (
talk)
08:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's rather a personal than rational decision, see:
/info/en/?search=User_talk:2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:98DA:8909:635A:851C
2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:1111:E198:B5D6:B9B (
talk)
16:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- It is not personal. It is a rational decision. FilmandTVFan28 ( talk) 16:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's rather a personal than rational decision, see:
/info/en/?search=User_talk:2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:98DA:8909:635A:851C
2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:1111:E198:B5D6:B9B (
talk)
16:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of coverage, for example
A steady pace for the big party Kerry Shale returns to Edinburgh this year with a new one-man show and new attitude The Stage - Thursday 07 August 1997;
Kerry Shale's moment of truth on the motorway The Stage - Thursday 24 October 1985;
Dreaming of Babylon KERRY SHALE The Stage - Thursday 09 October 1986;
Talking with Kerry Shale: The English love his accent: Meet the Vancouver-trained actor who speaks for us over there The Vancouver Sun; Vancouver, B.C. 04 Sep 1999
Piecesofuk (
talk)
15:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- A couple of international reviews:
An Octogenarian 'Hamlet' With a Catskills Flavor and
Kerry Shale's The Prince of West End Avenue
Piecesofuk (
talk)
16:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- He won a Writers' Guild Award in 1993 for his radio adaption of Dr. Strangelove https://writersguild.org.uk/writers-guild-awards-1993/ Piecesofuk ( talk) 21:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- A couple of international reviews:
An Octogenarian 'Hamlet' With a Catskills Flavor and
Kerry Shale's The Prince of West End Avenue
Piecesofuk (
talk)
16:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Some more reviews that specifically discuss his writing and/or acting found on Nexis: "Listen, We're Family", The Observer, November 7th 2013; "The 2000 Year Old Man", The Evening Standard, March 13th 2015; " The Kubrick Test offers a first-hand account of the director's working methods", The New Statesman, April 1st 2020. He's been a very prolific actor in the UK for 30+ years - particularly on BBC radio and audiobooks - so I imagine there's probably more like this buried in the hundreds of passing mentions of things he's been in! Adam Sampson ( talk) 18:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep seems to be at GNG with the source listed in the last two comments; I'd encourage the editors to work them into the article and expand it. Good work everyone. Oaktree b ( talk) 01:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep meets GNG with references provided above (international coverage none the less!) Nfitz ( talk) 20:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Waggers TALK 16:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Kerry Shale ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Throughout the entire history of this article, it has been filled with a ton of unreferenced information. The only two existing citations prove the actor's appearances in a few of the works stated in the article. Also considering this is a BLP, it's time to blow it up and start over. DatGuy Talk Contribs 16:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. DatGuy Talk Contribs 16:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. As always, an actor's notability is not established by the article simply listing acting roles — having acting roles is literally the job description, so every actor who exists at all would get an automatic notability freebie if simply listing roles were all it took. Rather, an actor's notability hinges not on the list of roles itself but on the amount of reliable source coverage about him and his roles that can or can't be used to support the article with — biographical articles about him, reviews of his film or television projects which single out his performance for dedicated attention (as opposed to just namechecking his presence), evidence that he's been a winner of or nominee for a major acting award, etc. — but the only "references" here are a schedule listing on the self-published website of the television network that aired a show he was in and an IMDB-like directory of voice actors, neither of which are reliable or notability-building sources at all, and the amount of completely unreferenced information here implies conflict of interest editing by the subject or somebody close to him. Bearcat ( talk) 17:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. —
FilmandTVFan28 (
talk)
08:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's rather a personal than rational decision, see:
/info/en/?search=User_talk:2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:98DA:8909:635A:851C
2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:1111:E198:B5D6:B9B (
talk)
16:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- It is not personal. It is a rational decision. FilmandTVFan28 ( talk) 16:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's rather a personal than rational decision, see:
/info/en/?search=User_talk:2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:98DA:8909:635A:851C
2A02:8109:A83F:EA9F:1111:E198:B5D6:B9B (
talk)
16:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of coverage, for example
A steady pace for the big party Kerry Shale returns to Edinburgh this year with a new one-man show and new attitude The Stage - Thursday 07 August 1997;
Kerry Shale's moment of truth on the motorway The Stage - Thursday 24 October 1985;
Dreaming of Babylon KERRY SHALE The Stage - Thursday 09 October 1986;
Talking with Kerry Shale: The English love his accent: Meet the Vancouver-trained actor who speaks for us over there The Vancouver Sun; Vancouver, B.C. 04 Sep 1999
Piecesofuk (
talk)
15:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- A couple of international reviews:
An Octogenarian 'Hamlet' With a Catskills Flavor and
Kerry Shale's The Prince of West End Avenue
Piecesofuk (
talk)
16:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- He won a Writers' Guild Award in 1993 for his radio adaption of Dr. Strangelove https://writersguild.org.uk/writers-guild-awards-1993/ Piecesofuk ( talk) 21:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- A couple of international reviews:
An Octogenarian 'Hamlet' With a Catskills Flavor and
Kerry Shale's The Prince of West End Avenue
Piecesofuk (
talk)
16:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Some more reviews that specifically discuss his writing and/or acting found on Nexis: "Listen, We're Family", The Observer, November 7th 2013; "The 2000 Year Old Man", The Evening Standard, March 13th 2015; " The Kubrick Test offers a first-hand account of the director's working methods", The New Statesman, April 1st 2020. He's been a very prolific actor in the UK for 30+ years - particularly on BBC radio and audiobooks - so I imagine there's probably more like this buried in the hundreds of passing mentions of things he's been in! Adam Sampson ( talk) 18:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep seems to be at GNG with the source listed in the last two comments; I'd encourage the editors to work them into the article and expand it. Good work everyone. Oaktree b ( talk) 01:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep meets GNG with references provided above (international coverage none the less!) Nfitz ( talk) 20:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.