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The result was keep. Missvain ( talk) 01:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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I checked the references for this article, and they do not seem to qualify her for notability. She legitimately is a member of the faculty at Ohio State U., but does not hold a named chair and so does not qualify under WP:ACADEMIC. Ref #2 is a directory listing, ref #3 is from one of her book publishers (AGNI) and lacks independence, and ref #4 is a link to an Emerson College page that does not mention her. A Google News search turns up only 13 hits, most of which were created or influenced by her directly or were created by her publishers or Ohio State. There's a page on the LA Review that shows two of her poems, but says nothing about her. One result shows one of her works was "a finalist for the 2018 Kingsley Tufts and William Carlos Williams Poetry Prizes", but neither this nor any of the other awards she has won or almost won appears to be notable. Receiving a non-notable fellowship, as far as I know, does not qualify a person as notable, and none of her awards includes any reliable independent verification (though they may all certainly be WP:TRUE). Having published works does not make an author notable, and I was not able to find evidence of independent reliable published sources to qualify her as notable in her own right. I can find no subject-specific guidelines under which she qualifies, and she does not appear to meet WP:GNG. A loose necktie ( talk) 10:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment WP:NAUTHOR looks plausible. Reviews include [1] [2] [3], also a review in brief [4] and one in a source whose reliability I wasn't immediately able to determine [5]. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 19:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. I think the reviews and awards are enough for
WP:AUTHOR. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also, re the nomination statement's
Kingsley Tufts and William Carlos Williams Poetry Prizes", but neither this nor any of the other awards she has won or almost won appears to be notable
: see The Kingsley and Kate Tufts Poetry Awards and William Carlos Williams Award, both of which have had articles here for years. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also, re the nomination statement's
- Keep After improvement, the case for meeting WP:AUTHOR is decently clear. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The reviews would be the weak side for a keep for a usual author, but for a poet this is a high level. Something that helps to convince me is the fact that her poems have been put into anthologies fairly widely, which I take to be comparable to being exhibited in a gallery per WP:NCREATIVE. (Should anthologies be specifically added to the NCREATIVE standard? Or perhaps I am completely off base in holding anthologies as roughly equivalent.) Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 07:03, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY passes WP:NAUTHOR. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 17:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY, great work by David Eppstein. Bearian ( talk) 23:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Missvain ( talk) 01:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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I checked the references for this article, and they do not seem to qualify her for notability. She legitimately is a member of the faculty at Ohio State U., but does not hold a named chair and so does not qualify under WP:ACADEMIC. Ref #2 is a directory listing, ref #3 is from one of her book publishers (AGNI) and lacks independence, and ref #4 is a link to an Emerson College page that does not mention her. A Google News search turns up only 13 hits, most of which were created or influenced by her directly or were created by her publishers or Ohio State. There's a page on the LA Review that shows two of her poems, but says nothing about her. One result shows one of her works was "a finalist for the 2018 Kingsley Tufts and William Carlos Williams Poetry Prizes", but neither this nor any of the other awards she has won or almost won appears to be notable. Receiving a non-notable fellowship, as far as I know, does not qualify a person as notable, and none of her awards includes any reliable independent verification (though they may all certainly be WP:TRUE). Having published works does not make an author notable, and I was not able to find evidence of independent reliable published sources to qualify her as notable in her own right. I can find no subject-specific guidelines under which she qualifies, and she does not appear to meet WP:GNG. A loose necktie ( talk) 10:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment WP:NAUTHOR looks plausible. Reviews include [1] [2] [3], also a review in brief [4] and one in a source whose reliability I wasn't immediately able to determine [5]. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 19:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. I think the reviews and awards are enough for
WP:AUTHOR. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also, re the nomination statement's
Kingsley Tufts and William Carlos Williams Poetry Prizes", but neither this nor any of the other awards she has won or almost won appears to be notable
: see The Kingsley and Kate Tufts Poetry Awards and William Carlos Williams Award, both of which have had articles here for years. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also, re the nomination statement's
- Keep After improvement, the case for meeting WP:AUTHOR is decently clear. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The reviews would be the weak side for a keep for a usual author, but for a poet this is a high level. Something that helps to convince me is the fact that her poems have been put into anthologies fairly widely, which I take to be comparable to being exhibited in a gallery per WP:NCREATIVE. (Should anthologies be specifically added to the NCREATIVE standard? Or perhaps I am completely off base in holding anthologies as roughly equivalent.) Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 07:03, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY passes WP:NAUTHOR. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 17:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY, great work by David Eppstein. Bearian ( talk) 23:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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