The result was merge to [[ ApologetiX]]. Person meets WP:MUSIC, but currently only for band. Re-creation possible when he either becomes a member of two notable bands or also actually develops a notable solo career. slakr\ talk / 06:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC) reply
Delete OR Merge/redirect to ApologetiX. Only real claim to fame is his role in ApologetiX, a band which I'm not sure passes notability in itself as all of its sources consist of links from the official website (maybe someone can help me out on this). Provided that the band does qualify for notability, I don't think Messner does, per WP:BAND's "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases."
With Messner, the article was written by the subject and some single purpose accounts (although not all of them are). Sources to the article include the subject's myspace, classmates site and ApologetiX's Wikipedia article. The About.com interview only mentions him once. I think the only really reliable source is the thought-quotient interview. CyberGhostface ( talk) 21:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC) reply
About.com Interview with Karl Messner(different than the one already referenced, this one specifically with Karl)
http://christianmusic.about.com/od/interviewsal/a/aaapologetix405.htm
EntertainmentWatch.net interview with Karl Messner http://www.entertainmentwatch.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13:an-interview-with-karl-messner-of-apologetix&catid=7:music-artist-interviews&Itemid=78
Karl mentioned in Reference.com's ApologetiX Entry http://www.reference.com/browse/ApologetiX
Blogspot interview http://whatsupnews.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_archive.html
American Family Association Journal http://www.afajournal.org/2005/february/2.05apologetix.asp
The Times Democrat Article http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2008/01/11/features/religion/12906978.txt
Christian Music source (APX) http://www.cmspin.com/newsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=389&z=11
2004 Alternative Christian Musician of the year Christian Music Awards
Karl arranged collaborations with Weird Al's Drummer, Charlie Daniel's fiddle player, and the keyboardist for Three Dog night. Other bands have commented they liked them (Ted Nugent, KISS, Kid Rock)
Howard Stern Played nearly the entire album "Ticked" on the air and his producer called karl to get the band on the show
Mrunincredible ( talk) 22:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC) reply
As a Web Marketer, I see that google registers hundreds of searches per month consistently over the last year for Karl Messner, and that's significant traffic for a keyword. His Solo album is going to be great. He produced all of ApologetiX work, his voice is known, his mad production skills are known. He will continue to be a significant player in the Christian Music Scene. His work is currently on the air daily on hundreds of radio stations around the world.
The song that features his voice most prominently (Scripture) is STILL the band's biggest seller on iTunes, even though that album was released 4 years and four albums ago. The only post-Karl album has been out for about a year and its highest scoring iTunes song is only at #70 (More than a Healing) [1]
All that to say Karl isn't notable because of his involvement with ApologetX. It's more accurate to say ApologetiX was only ever notable because of Karl's involvement. The lead singer says as much on their most recent DVD. "Karl's made a lot of my dreams come true" I say Keep. he's a notable player in the industry and still active. Joycell27 ( talk) 06:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)— Joycell27 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
The result was merge to [[ ApologetiX]]. Person meets WP:MUSIC, but currently only for band. Re-creation possible when he either becomes a member of two notable bands or also actually develops a notable solo career. slakr\ talk / 06:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC) reply
Delete OR Merge/redirect to ApologetiX. Only real claim to fame is his role in ApologetiX, a band which I'm not sure passes notability in itself as all of its sources consist of links from the official website (maybe someone can help me out on this). Provided that the band does qualify for notability, I don't think Messner does, per WP:BAND's "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases."
With Messner, the article was written by the subject and some single purpose accounts (although not all of them are). Sources to the article include the subject's myspace, classmates site and ApologetiX's Wikipedia article. The About.com interview only mentions him once. I think the only really reliable source is the thought-quotient interview. CyberGhostface ( talk) 21:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC) reply
About.com Interview with Karl Messner(different than the one already referenced, this one specifically with Karl)
http://christianmusic.about.com/od/interviewsal/a/aaapologetix405.htm
EntertainmentWatch.net interview with Karl Messner http://www.entertainmentwatch.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13:an-interview-with-karl-messner-of-apologetix&catid=7:music-artist-interviews&Itemid=78
Karl mentioned in Reference.com's ApologetiX Entry http://www.reference.com/browse/ApologetiX
Blogspot interview http://whatsupnews.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_archive.html
American Family Association Journal http://www.afajournal.org/2005/february/2.05apologetix.asp
The Times Democrat Article http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2008/01/11/features/religion/12906978.txt
Christian Music source (APX) http://www.cmspin.com/newsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=389&z=11
2004 Alternative Christian Musician of the year Christian Music Awards
Karl arranged collaborations with Weird Al's Drummer, Charlie Daniel's fiddle player, and the keyboardist for Three Dog night. Other bands have commented they liked them (Ted Nugent, KISS, Kid Rock)
Howard Stern Played nearly the entire album "Ticked" on the air and his producer called karl to get the band on the show
Mrunincredible ( talk) 22:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC) reply
As a Web Marketer, I see that google registers hundreds of searches per month consistently over the last year for Karl Messner, and that's significant traffic for a keyword. His Solo album is going to be great. He produced all of ApologetiX work, his voice is known, his mad production skills are known. He will continue to be a significant player in the Christian Music Scene. His work is currently on the air daily on hundreds of radio stations around the world.
The song that features his voice most prominently (Scripture) is STILL the band's biggest seller on iTunes, even though that album was released 4 years and four albums ago. The only post-Karl album has been out for about a year and its highest scoring iTunes song is only at #70 (More than a Healing) [1]
All that to say Karl isn't notable because of his involvement with ApologetX. It's more accurate to say ApologetiX was only ever notable because of Karl's involvement. The lead singer says as much on their most recent DVD. "Karl's made a lot of my dreams come true" I say Keep. he's a notable player in the industry and still active. Joycell27 ( talk) 06:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)— Joycell27 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply