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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 17:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Kansas StateāNebraska football rivalry
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WP:NRIVALRY states "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable."
and defers to GNG.
The article has been tagged re lack of rivalry citations since August 2018, as none of the 3 existing citations support the article's claimed topic. These teams are frequent conference opponents (almost 100 games) due to their status as longtime Big Eight and Big 12 conference members. However, searches do not return significant coverage of any rivalry, with many of the matches tied to WP:PRIMARY or non-RS sources such as fan sites. Fails GNG policy requirements. UW Dawgs ( talk) 15:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment Let's start with basics: This was never a major, traditional rivalry. That said, a reasoned argument can be made that there should be room on Wikpedia to record historically-significant series that have been played more than 90 times. Criteria qualifying this series as historically notable include (a) frequency of play - 95 total games spanning from 1911 to 2010; (b) geographic proximity - at 135 miles the closest competitors in the Big 12; and (c) eight marquee matchups where both teams were ranked, including 1995 (#2 v #8). The second-ever televised college football game in 1939 is also a plus. Lack of competitiveness is a counterbalancing factor with Nebraska holding a 78ā15ā2 edge, though that's heavily skewed by Nebraska's total dominance in the Devaney/Osborne era. Finally, and while not dispositive IMO, there are instances of the series being called a rivalry: ESPN ("Cornhuskers ended a 99-year rivalry with Kansas State"). Cbl62 ( talk) 16:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep This is certainly one of the most played rivalries of all time. I'm aghast that it's even been nominated...-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 00:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep considering how close both universities are and how it used a major in-conference game before Nebraska realigned. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 16:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62 and KingSkyLord. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep While not a major rivalry, this counts as one. I'm persuaded by Cbl62. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 17:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Kansas StateāNebraska football rivalry
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WP:GNG requires If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content."
WP:NRIVALRY states "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable."
and defers to GNG.
The article has been tagged re lack of rivalry citations since August 2018, as none of the 3 existing citations support the article's claimed topic. These teams are frequent conference opponents (almost 100 games) due to their status as longtime Big Eight and Big 12 conference members. However, searches do not return significant coverage of any rivalry, with many of the matches tied to WP:PRIMARY or non-RS sources such as fan sites. Fails GNG policy requirements. UW Dawgs ( talk) 15:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 15:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 15:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nebraska-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 15:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 15:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Let's start with basics: This was never a major, traditional rivalry. That said, a reasoned argument can be made that there should be room on Wikpedia to record historically-significant series that have been played more than 90 times. Criteria qualifying this series as historically notable include (a) frequency of play - 95 total games spanning from 1911 to 2010; (b) geographic proximity - at 135 miles the closest competitors in the Big 12; and (c) eight marquee matchups where both teams were ranked, including 1995 (#2 v #8). The second-ever televised college football game in 1939 is also a plus. Lack of competitiveness is a counterbalancing factor with Nebraska holding a 78ā15ā2 edge, though that's heavily skewed by Nebraska's total dominance in the Devaney/Osborne era. Finally, and while not dispositive IMO, there are instances of the series being called a rivalry: ESPN ("Cornhuskers ended a 99-year rivalry with Kansas State"). Cbl62 ( talk) 16:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep This is certainly one of the most played rivalries of all time. I'm aghast that it's even been nominated...-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 00:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep considering how close both universities are and how it used a major in-conference game before Nebraska realigned. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 16:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62 and KingSkyLord. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep While not a major rivalry, this counts as one. I'm persuaded by Cbl62. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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