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This is an island that an accused criminal fleeing prosecution purchased & declared a "nation." Fails WP:GNG by all appearances, even if this were to somehow be recognized as a country it's WP:TOOSOON. At best it would rate a mention at Nithyananda. JamesG5 ( talk) 08:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Do Not Delete
- This is a current event which we don't know fully about. Information on this page can change rapidly. Even if this country ceases to exist in near future, we should save the page as a historical event. If the current event doesn't generate much information then we should transfer this page to Nithyananda page.
- Deletion violates hardwork
- Delete: per Serjatt6's opening sentence. "This is a current event which we don't know fully about" is a great, concise summary of Wikipedia is not for news. Even as an island, it's not inhabited and hasn't received much significant coverage, so I'm doubtful if it meets GEOLAND. Per JamesG5, it's just too soon. If lots of reliable sources start referring to this island as such, there might be a case to make for having it redirect to Nithyananda#Fugitive, but it's still not notable in itself, at least at the moment. SITH (talk) 11:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Nithyananda. Significant but too soon to have its own page. Even Nithyananda#Fugitive has only one line of information. Jay ( talk) 13:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete there is no point in redirecting what is effectively a rumor. Praxidicae ( talk) 18:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Don't Delete
Delete(changed from dont delete)As for Notabilty, it has been widely reported about on Indian cable news and the Wikipedia page of kailaasa already has two third party sources. Also it shouldn't be treated as a sovereign nation but as a micronation and there are many articles about different micronations on Wikipedia. I agree that it's too soon but I dont think it should be deleted because of that Ankur Bhandari ( talk) 8:28 pm
Wednesday, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOPAGE. Redirect, at best. ∯WBG converse 07:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with
Nithyananda — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Helloimahumanbeing (
talk •
contribs) 14:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Speedy Delete as it's a hoax Helloimahumanbeing ( talk) 16:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC) - Delete per WP:NOPAGE.-- Unknown3599 ( talk) 04:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete
Speedy Delete per ( G3) Hoax andper WP:NOPAGE and should be deleted without a redirectsince Ecuador clarified that this is fake news on twitter.courtesy ping Jay Praxidicae, Ankur Bhandari, User:Winged Blades of Godric, Helloimahumanbeing, if they would like to change their vote. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 12:16, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- DBigXray, good find, I'd say it's a potential speedy delete per HOAX ( G3) in that case. SITH (talk) 12:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
indeed, I would support a speedy here. I have changed my !vote-- DBig Xrayᗙ 12:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC) struck per discussion below. DBig Xrayᗙ 14:19, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy delete hoax per G3.— Harshil want to talk? 12:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment while I think this should be deleted for other reasons, I just want to note that Twitter account is two months old, not verified and we have no way of telling if it's legitimate and it should not be used for anything. Praxidicae ( talk) 16:39, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- And just as I expected, that's a fake Twitter account. Please see
this one which is linked from their official .gov site. CC
DBigXray,
Jay,
Winged Blades of Godric. And
here is their verified Facebook page which makes no mention of any press release or the subject.
Praxidicae (
talk)
16:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- thx
Praxidicae, this is strange that the official account has not tweeted in the last 8 months. I will note that
ANI has also picked up the news which looks quite legitimate. But since there are doubts, it is better to be on the safe side. changed my !vote back. fyi
User:StraussInTheHouse .--
DBig
Xrayᗙ
18:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Which is another reason we shouldn't be considering TNN an RS. I was about to post at RSN for this exact reason as it's not the first time they've failed to fact check. See here: Take for example, this piece, which comes from this on this controversial topic. A 5 second search would show anyone with the ability to read that the account they cited for the press release is not legitimate and they take the word of another source, like a game of telephone. This is the supposed tweet it is all based on. It is 2 months old and the embassy's .gov website links their official account Twitter Facebook, neither of which have published this supposed press release nor do they make mention of the subject. In fact, searching for the supposed text/word the embassy released gives nothing but rehashed articles citing The News Minute. I would expect any journalist or publication with a modicum of integrity to do basic fact checking and it appears that they do not. Praxidicae ( talk) 18:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- And for the record, it definitely should be deleted but we should never be using content anywhere like those I've pointed out above.
Praxidicae (
talk)
18:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks both, my default is to revert to a delete !vote on the original rationale. SITH (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
-
Praxidicae, yes I am aware TNN is not RS and are known to run propaganda series. My point was ANI who are supposed to have stronger journo ethics and reliability are also doing this mistake here.
User:Winged Blades of Godric and
User:Harshil169, you might want to take a look at this. --
DBig
Xrayᗙ
14:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- ANI and ethics -LOL. At any case, TNN is not a RS, IMO (and I will argue to such extents, over RSN) and Dhanya is way too invested in debunking Nithyananda's cult, to expect unbiased coverage.
∯WBG
converse
14:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- yeah, I know, I was speaking in comparative terms, "ANI stronger in comparison to TNN" -- DBig Xrayᗙ 14:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- ANI and ethics -LOL. At any case, TNN is not a RS, IMO (and I will argue to such extents, over RSN) and Dhanya is way too invested in debunking Nithyananda's cult, to expect unbiased coverage.
∯WBG
converse
14:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- thx
Praxidicae, this is strange that the official account has not tweeted in the last 8 months. I will note that
ANI has also picked up the news which looks quite legitimate. But since there are doubts, it is better to be on the safe side. changed my !vote back. fyi
User:StraussInTheHouse .--
DBig
Xrayᗙ
18:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- And just as I expected, that's a fake Twitter account. Please see
this one which is linked from their official .gov site. CC
DBigXray,
Jay,
Winged Blades of Godric. And
here is their verified Facebook page which makes no mention of any press release or the subject.
Praxidicae (
talk)
16:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: Where Is Thy God Now Godman —— SN 54129 17:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129, I feel like that's partly from Psalms... SITH (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per Praxidicae and WP:NOTLUNACY, which I just invented now. SportingFlyer T· C 08:45, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Where do we go to officially propose that? This place needs it some days. JamesG5 ( talk) 00:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Snow delete "The alleged location of the micronation is an island near Trinidad and Tobago or Ecuador." lololololol Reywas92 Talk 08:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- It's a lovely place. I take all my imaginary holidays there.
——
SN
54129
09:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- I may winter there next year! :-D JamesG5 ( talk) 00:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- It's a lovely place. I take all my imaginary holidays there.
——
SN
54129
09:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Pile on Delete Lightburst ( talk) 00:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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This is an island that an accused criminal fleeing prosecution purchased & declared a "nation." Fails WP:GNG by all appearances, even if this were to somehow be recognized as a country it's WP:TOOSOON. At best it would rate a mention at Nithyananda. JamesG5 ( talk) 08:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Do Not Delete
- This is a current event which we don't know fully about. Information on this page can change rapidly. Even if this country ceases to exist in near future, we should save the page as a historical event. If the current event doesn't generate much information then we should transfer this page to Nithyananda page.
- Deletion violates hardwork
- Delete: per Serjatt6's opening sentence. "This is a current event which we don't know fully about" is a great, concise summary of Wikipedia is not for news. Even as an island, it's not inhabited and hasn't received much significant coverage, so I'm doubtful if it meets GEOLAND. Per JamesG5, it's just too soon. If lots of reliable sources start referring to this island as such, there might be a case to make for having it redirect to Nithyananda#Fugitive, but it's still not notable in itself, at least at the moment. SITH (talk) 11:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Nithyananda. Significant but too soon to have its own page. Even Nithyananda#Fugitive has only one line of information. Jay ( talk) 13:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete there is no point in redirecting what is effectively a rumor. Praxidicae ( talk) 18:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Don't Delete
Delete(changed from dont delete)As for Notabilty, it has been widely reported about on Indian cable news and the Wikipedia page of kailaasa already has two third party sources. Also it shouldn't be treated as a sovereign nation but as a micronation and there are many articles about different micronations on Wikipedia. I agree that it's too soon but I dont think it should be deleted because of that Ankur Bhandari ( talk) 8:28 pm
Wednesday, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOPAGE. Redirect, at best. ∯WBG converse 07:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with
Nithyananda — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Helloimahumanbeing (
talk •
contribs) 14:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Speedy Delete as it's a hoax Helloimahumanbeing ( talk) 16:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC) - Delete per WP:NOPAGE.-- Unknown3599 ( talk) 04:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete
Speedy Delete per ( G3) Hoax andper WP:NOPAGE and should be deleted without a redirectsince Ecuador clarified that this is fake news on twitter.courtesy ping Jay Praxidicae, Ankur Bhandari, User:Winged Blades of Godric, Helloimahumanbeing, if they would like to change their vote. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 12:16, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- DBigXray, good find, I'd say it's a potential speedy delete per HOAX ( G3) in that case. SITH (talk) 12:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
indeed, I would support a speedy here. I have changed my !vote-- DBig Xrayᗙ 12:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC) struck per discussion below. DBig Xrayᗙ 14:19, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy delete hoax per G3.— Harshil want to talk? 12:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment while I think this should be deleted for other reasons, I just want to note that Twitter account is two months old, not verified and we have no way of telling if it's legitimate and it should not be used for anything. Praxidicae ( talk) 16:39, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- And just as I expected, that's a fake Twitter account. Please see
this one which is linked from their official .gov site. CC
DBigXray,
Jay,
Winged Blades of Godric. And
here is their verified Facebook page which makes no mention of any press release or the subject.
Praxidicae (
talk)
16:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- thx
Praxidicae, this is strange that the official account has not tweeted in the last 8 months. I will note that
ANI has also picked up the news which looks quite legitimate. But since there are doubts, it is better to be on the safe side. changed my !vote back. fyi
User:StraussInTheHouse .--
DBig
Xrayᗙ
18:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Which is another reason we shouldn't be considering TNN an RS. I was about to post at RSN for this exact reason as it's not the first time they've failed to fact check. See here: Take for example, this piece, which comes from this on this controversial topic. A 5 second search would show anyone with the ability to read that the account they cited for the press release is not legitimate and they take the word of another source, like a game of telephone. This is the supposed tweet it is all based on. It is 2 months old and the embassy's .gov website links their official account Twitter Facebook, neither of which have published this supposed press release nor do they make mention of the subject. In fact, searching for the supposed text/word the embassy released gives nothing but rehashed articles citing The News Minute. I would expect any journalist or publication with a modicum of integrity to do basic fact checking and it appears that they do not. Praxidicae ( talk) 18:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- And for the record, it definitely should be deleted but we should never be using content anywhere like those I've pointed out above.
Praxidicae (
talk)
18:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks both, my default is to revert to a delete !vote on the original rationale. SITH (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
-
Praxidicae, yes I am aware TNN is not RS and are known to run propaganda series. My point was ANI who are supposed to have stronger journo ethics and reliability are also doing this mistake here.
User:Winged Blades of Godric and
User:Harshil169, you might want to take a look at this. --
DBig
Xrayᗙ
14:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- ANI and ethics -LOL. At any case, TNN is not a RS, IMO (and I will argue to such extents, over RSN) and Dhanya is way too invested in debunking Nithyananda's cult, to expect unbiased coverage.
∯WBG
converse
14:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- yeah, I know, I was speaking in comparative terms, "ANI stronger in comparison to TNN" -- DBig Xrayᗙ 14:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- ANI and ethics -LOL. At any case, TNN is not a RS, IMO (and I will argue to such extents, over RSN) and Dhanya is way too invested in debunking Nithyananda's cult, to expect unbiased coverage.
∯WBG
converse
14:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- thx
Praxidicae, this is strange that the official account has not tweeted in the last 8 months. I will note that
ANI has also picked up the news which looks quite legitimate. But since there are doubts, it is better to be on the safe side. changed my !vote back. fyi
User:StraussInTheHouse .--
DBig
Xrayᗙ
18:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- And just as I expected, that's a fake Twitter account. Please see
this one which is linked from their official .gov site. CC
DBigXray,
Jay,
Winged Blades of Godric. And
here is their verified Facebook page which makes no mention of any press release or the subject.
Praxidicae (
talk)
16:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: Where Is Thy God Now Godman —— SN 54129 17:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129, I feel like that's partly from Psalms... SITH (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 06:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 06:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South America-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 06:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per Praxidicae and WP:NOTLUNACY, which I just invented now. SportingFlyer T· C 08:45, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Where do we go to officially propose that? This place needs it some days. JamesG5 ( talk) 00:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Snow delete "The alleged location of the micronation is an island near Trinidad and Tobago or Ecuador." lololololol Reywas92 Talk 08:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- It's a lovely place. I take all my imaginary holidays there.
——
SN
54129
09:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- I may winter there next year! :-D JamesG5 ( talk) 00:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- It's a lovely place. I take all my imaginary holidays there.
——
SN
54129
09:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Pile on Delete Lightburst ( talk) 00:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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