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The result was keep. – Joe ( talk) 08:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Kaaitara
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Fictitious (perhaps?) place on Nonouti or Teraina (not a populated place).-- Arorae ( talk) 20:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment - fixed nomination for the nominator and transcluded to log Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. A real place, according to Kiribati's 2010 Census, but with zero population. Perhaps it should be listed as a former settlement, but remember that there are lots of ghost towns in the United States and Canada and places like Old Sarum in England that have articles. Once notable, always notable. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- yes, it was a real place, but we cannot keep ghost towns without any population. It is not a census place in the last census (2020).--
Arorae (
talk)
00:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, we can keep ghost towns without any population, per WP:DEGRADE. Geschichte ( talk) 09:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- but there are no ghost towns in Kiribati, just former settlements whith no more inhabitants for years, and there is no NOTABILITY on this kind of places, @ Geschichte:...-- Arorae ( talk) 12:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Simply saying it isn't notable isn't a valid argument, per the guidelines set by WP:GEOLAND and WP:DEGRADE it is. Also, how is it not a ghost town? Does the definition of "A ghost town or alternatively deserted city or abandoned city is an abandoned village, town, or city, usually one that contains substantial visible remaining buildings and infrastructure such as roads." not fit Kaaitara? Pladica ( talk) 03:34, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- sorry to tell you that there are no roads in Teraina only paths in the bush, for pedestrians, and that the only substantial buildings may only include buia (small bungalows) that are generally moved when people do not live there. if not moved, the wood and the pandanus leaves of the buia are quickly reused elsewhere. If you can show me the remains of Kaataraina, it will be my pleasure to offer you a bottle of champagne of good quality, as I am French. @ Pladica:-- Arorae ( talk) 17:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Do we have any sources demonstrating that it was once notable? Remember,
WP:GEOLAND requires more than just verification that people lived there. –
dlthewave
☎
02:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- No it was NEVER notable. And Teraina history is very short.-- Arorae ( talk) 08:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Although this does appear to be a former populated place, it's a populated place without legal recognition which would need to meet GNG per
WP:GEOLAND #2. I'm open to changing my !vote if significant coverage can be found. –
dlthewave
☎
17:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- How is it not legally recognized? Like Eastmain stated above, it was counted on the 2010 census.
Pladica (
talk)
03:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ Pladica:. With zero (0) inhabitants in the 2010, 2015 and 2020 Census. The place doesn´t exist LEGALLY as per Constitution of Kiribati that considers only one council per atoll ( Teraina council in this case). Kaainga (settlements) have no LEGAL recognition. There is no such subdivisions in Kiribati.-- Arorae ( talk) 12:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- How is it not legally recognized? Like Eastmain stated above, it was counted on the 2010 census.
Pladica (
talk)
03:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per WP:GEOLAND and WP:DEGRADE Pladica ( talk) 03:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - The current population is 0. --
RamotHacker (
talk)
21:16, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
- That has no relationship to whether the article should be kept or deleted. Phil Bridger ( talk) 22:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to have been a recognised populated place, so passes WP:GEOLAND. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment. I was pinged. Why I do not know, and I've turned pings off anyway. Should I close this discussion though? No, I'm not entirely convinced by the census source as I'm not familiar with the nature of Kiribati censuses. What is counted there? The coordinates are botched as well. Geschichte ( talk) 20:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as it was at one point a populated place. Jackattack1597 ( talk) 21:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per WP:GEOLAND and WP:DEGRADE. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. – Joe ( talk) 08:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Kaaitara
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Fictitious (perhaps?) place on Nonouti or Teraina (not a populated place).-- Arorae ( talk) 20:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - fixed nomination for the nominator and transcluded to log Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. A real place, according to Kiribati's 2010 Census, but with zero population. Perhaps it should be listed as a former settlement, but remember that there are lots of ghost towns in the United States and Canada and places like Old Sarum in England that have articles. Once notable, always notable. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- yes, it was a real place, but we cannot keep ghost towns without any population. It is not a census place in the last census (2020).--
Arorae (
talk)
00:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, we can keep ghost towns without any population, per WP:DEGRADE. Geschichte ( talk) 09:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- but there are no ghost towns in Kiribati, just former settlements whith no more inhabitants for years, and there is no NOTABILITY on this kind of places, @ Geschichte:...-- Arorae ( talk) 12:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Simply saying it isn't notable isn't a valid argument, per the guidelines set by WP:GEOLAND and WP:DEGRADE it is. Also, how is it not a ghost town? Does the definition of "A ghost town or alternatively deserted city or abandoned city is an abandoned village, town, or city, usually one that contains substantial visible remaining buildings and infrastructure such as roads." not fit Kaaitara? Pladica ( talk) 03:34, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- sorry to tell you that there are no roads in Teraina only paths in the bush, for pedestrians, and that the only substantial buildings may only include buia (small bungalows) that are generally moved when people do not live there. if not moved, the wood and the pandanus leaves of the buia are quickly reused elsewhere. If you can show me the remains of Kaataraina, it will be my pleasure to offer you a bottle of champagne of good quality, as I am French. @ Pladica:-- Arorae ( talk) 17:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Do we have any sources demonstrating that it was once notable? Remember,
WP:GEOLAND requires more than just verification that people lived there. –
dlthewave
☎
02:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- No it was NEVER notable. And Teraina history is very short.-- Arorae ( talk) 08:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Although this does appear to be a former populated place, it's a populated place without legal recognition which would need to meet GNG per
WP:GEOLAND #2. I'm open to changing my !vote if significant coverage can be found. –
dlthewave
☎
17:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- How is it not legally recognized? Like Eastmain stated above, it was counted on the 2010 census.
Pladica (
talk)
03:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ Pladica:. With zero (0) inhabitants in the 2010, 2015 and 2020 Census. The place doesn´t exist LEGALLY as per Constitution of Kiribati that considers only one council per atoll ( Teraina council in this case). Kaainga (settlements) have no LEGAL recognition. There is no such subdivisions in Kiribati.-- Arorae ( talk) 12:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- How is it not legally recognized? Like Eastmain stated above, it was counted on the 2010 census.
Pladica (
talk)
03:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per WP:GEOLAND and WP:DEGRADE Pladica ( talk) 03:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete - The current population is 0. --
RamotHacker (
talk)
21:16, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
- That has no relationship to whether the article should be kept or deleted. Phil Bridger ( talk) 22:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to have been a recognised populated place, so passes WP:GEOLAND. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I was pinged. Why I do not know, and I've turned pings off anyway. Should I close this discussion though? No, I'm not entirely convinced by the census source as I'm not familiar with the nature of Kiribati censuses. What is counted there? The coordinates are botched as well. Geschichte ( talk) 20:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as it was at one point a populated place. Jackattack1597 ( talk) 21:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per WP:GEOLAND and WP:DEGRADE. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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