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The result was keep. Sufficient roles that have satisfied notability per the consensus. ( non-admin closure) -- Dane2007 talk 00:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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1) Kei Shindo (EF - main)
2) Nozomi Fujimiya (Wind: A Breath of Heart - supporting)
Subject has only one main role, and is not notable enough to warrant her own article. Fails WP:NACTOR. Severe failure of WP:WHYN as well. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 06:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC) Sk8erPrince ( talk) 06:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep - She is part of the main cast in Ef: A Tale of Memories, Wind: A Breath of Heart, and Sentimental Graffiti, so she passes WP:ENT with multiple major roles in notable works. Furthermore, Hitoshi Doi's seiyuu database lists fairly extensive coverage in anime and seiyuu magazines [1], which would almost certainly allow her to pass WP:GNG (though I'm doubtful anyone here would have those magazines available to actually use them to add to the article). Calathan ( talk) 08:14, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- Calathan ( talk) 08:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Only EF is considered to be notable among the three, given that it has received a dub. Most anime adaptions of visual novels are considered to be not notable. Also, regarding those books, who can actually verify how much the subject is covered in them? Until that has been clarified, due to the subject lacking enough significant roles, and that the JP article being almost a credits dump (the Eng article on the other hand is nothing more than just a credits dump), these concerns all lay the grounds for deletion. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
09:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Receiving a dub (in English or any other language) has nothing to do with notability. For how much the subject is covered in the magazines, the site I listed indicates the number of pages in each magazine that are about Junko Okada. The ones that are less than a page may not be significant coverage, but the ones with 2+ pages just related to her are much more likely to be significant coverage. Calathan ( talk) 14:34, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Only EF is considered to be notable among the three, given that it has received a dub. Most anime adaptions of visual novels are considered to be not notable. Also, regarding those books, who can actually verify how much the subject is covered in them? Until that has been clarified, due to the subject lacking enough significant roles, and that the JP article being almost a credits dump (the Eng article on the other hand is nothing more than just a credits dump), these concerns all lay the grounds for deletion. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
09:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is not uncommon to note a work's localization to the west as an assertion of its notability. AFD participants do use it as an argument. Do bear in mind that English is the international language, so localized Japanese media that are imported into the US with an English language dub produced will further increase its notability. Also take note on how Angus dismisses anime adaptions of visual novels as non-notable in
this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Each VA should be treated independent of the others. I'm merely saying that the visual novels should be notable, have a decent presence on Wikipedia. It doesn't help if the VA has acted in a bunch of minor direct-to-videos or dime-a-dozen visual novels. If she's getting coverage in Japanese magazines, that's going to help her notability. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is not uncommon to note a work's localization to the west as an assertion of its notability. AFD participants do use it as an argument. Do bear in mind that English is the international language, so localized Japanese media that are imported into the US with an English language dub produced will further increase its notability. Also take note on how Angus dismisses anime adaptions of visual novels as non-notable in
this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - She passes WP:ENT, in addition I have found coverage about this person from Japanese news media [2]. ( WP:BEFORE?) - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- What is that article even about, anyway? If you don't mind elaborating, that is. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- It looks like she was involved in dubbing The Amazing World of Gumball for a Japanese audience. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- What is that article even about, anyway? If you don't mind elaborating, that is. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Right, but has the article specified WHICH role the subject is playing? If it's merely a bit role, then it's not an assertion of notability. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
CommentKeep I wouldn't count Sentimental Journey (anime) as starring as each of the heroines in that series only appears in one episode as a narrator/star, and then that's about it. The video game may be different though. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- About half the magazine articles on the page I linked to are coverage in relation to Sentimental Graffiti, and Hitoshi Doi's page also lists a radio show related to it. In terms of the amount of attention the role generated, it actually seems like her most significant role. I do think that is more in relation to the game than the anime, since as you point out, each of the main characters is only featured for one episode in the anime.
Calathan (
talk)
18:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- That sounds more promising as a lead role in the Sentimental franchise. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- About half the magazine articles on the page I linked to are coverage in relation to Sentimental Graffiti, and Hitoshi Doi's page also lists a radio show related to it. In terms of the amount of attention the role generated, it actually seems like her most significant role. I do think that is more in relation to the game than the anime, since as you point out, each of the main characters is only featured for one episode in the anime.
Calathan (
talk)
18:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- But even then, that's just two significant roles. Since when is Wind: A Breath of Heart considered to be notable? I honestly don't think that a voice actor that has only garnered two main roles is enough to warrant her own independent article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
01:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- She's also in the
Haru no Ashioto series as one of the main heroines.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
15:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- Given her sourced involvement in the promotions for the Sentimental Graffiti franchise and the lead roles mentions above that's enough to meet WP:ENT. Changing vote to keep. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- She's also in the
Haru no Ashioto series as one of the main heroines.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
15:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- But even then, that's just two significant roles. Since when is Wind: A Breath of Heart considered to be notable? I honestly don't think that a voice actor that has only garnered two main roles is enough to warrant her own independent article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
01:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep Appears to have sufficient roles for WP:Ent. SephyTheThird ( talk) 20:16, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Sufficient roles that have satisfied notability per the consensus. ( non-admin closure) -- Dane2007 talk 00:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
- Junko Okada ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
ANN search results:
1) Kei Shindo (EF - main)
2) Nozomi Fujimiya (Wind: A Breath of Heart - supporting)
Subject has only one main role, and is not notable enough to warrant her own article. Fails WP:NACTOR. Severe failure of WP:WHYN as well. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 06:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC) Sk8erPrince ( talk) 06:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2016 November 22. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 07:11, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - She is part of the main cast in Ef: A Tale of Memories, Wind: A Breath of Heart, and Sentimental Graffiti, so she passes WP:ENT with multiple major roles in notable works. Furthermore, Hitoshi Doi's seiyuu database lists fairly extensive coverage in anime and seiyuu magazines [1], which would almost certainly allow her to pass WP:GNG (though I'm doubtful anyone here would have those magazines available to actually use them to add to the article). Calathan ( talk) 08:14, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- Calathan ( talk) 08:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Only EF is considered to be notable among the three, given that it has received a dub. Most anime adaptions of visual novels are considered to be not notable. Also, regarding those books, who can actually verify how much the subject is covered in them? Until that has been clarified, due to the subject lacking enough significant roles, and that the JP article being almost a credits dump (the Eng article on the other hand is nothing more than just a credits dump), these concerns all lay the grounds for deletion. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
09:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Receiving a dub (in English or any other language) has nothing to do with notability. For how much the subject is covered in the magazines, the site I listed indicates the number of pages in each magazine that are about Junko Okada. The ones that are less than a page may not be significant coverage, but the ones with 2+ pages just related to her are much more likely to be significant coverage. Calathan ( talk) 14:34, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Only EF is considered to be notable among the three, given that it has received a dub. Most anime adaptions of visual novels are considered to be not notable. Also, regarding those books, who can actually verify how much the subject is covered in them? Until that has been clarified, due to the subject lacking enough significant roles, and that the JP article being almost a credits dump (the Eng article on the other hand is nothing more than just a credits dump), these concerns all lay the grounds for deletion. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
09:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is not uncommon to note a work's localization to the west as an assertion of its notability. AFD participants do use it as an argument. Do bear in mind that English is the international language, so localized Japanese media that are imported into the US with an English language dub produced will further increase its notability. Also take note on how Angus dismisses anime adaptions of visual novels as non-notable in
this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Each VA should be treated independent of the others. I'm merely saying that the visual novels should be notable, have a decent presence on Wikipedia. It doesn't help if the VA has acted in a bunch of minor direct-to-videos or dime-a-dozen visual novels. If she's getting coverage in Japanese magazines, that's going to help her notability. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is not uncommon to note a work's localization to the west as an assertion of its notability. AFD participants do use it as an argument. Do bear in mind that English is the international language, so localized Japanese media that are imported into the US with an English language dub produced will further increase its notability. Also take note on how Angus dismisses anime adaptions of visual novels as non-notable in
this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - She passes WP:ENT, in addition I have found coverage about this person from Japanese news media [2]. ( WP:BEFORE?) - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- What is that article even about, anyway? If you don't mind elaborating, that is. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- It looks like she was involved in dubbing The Amazing World of Gumball for a Japanese audience. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- What is that article even about, anyway? If you don't mind elaborating, that is. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
15:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Right, but has the article specified WHICH role the subject is playing? If it's merely a bit role, then it's not an assertion of notability. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
CommentKeep I wouldn't count Sentimental Journey (anime) as starring as each of the heroines in that series only appears in one episode as a narrator/star, and then that's about it. The video game may be different though. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- About half the magazine articles on the page I linked to are coverage in relation to Sentimental Graffiti, and Hitoshi Doi's page also lists a radio show related to it. In terms of the amount of attention the role generated, it actually seems like her most significant role. I do think that is more in relation to the game than the anime, since as you point out, each of the main characters is only featured for one episode in the anime.
Calathan (
talk)
18:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- That sounds more promising as a lead role in the Sentimental franchise. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- About half the magazine articles on the page I linked to are coverage in relation to Sentimental Graffiti, and Hitoshi Doi's page also lists a radio show related to it. In terms of the amount of attention the role generated, it actually seems like her most significant role. I do think that is more in relation to the game than the anime, since as you point out, each of the main characters is only featured for one episode in the anime.
Calathan (
talk)
18:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- But even then, that's just two significant roles. Since when is Wind: A Breath of Heart considered to be notable? I honestly don't think that a voice actor that has only garnered two main roles is enough to warrant her own independent article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
01:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- She's also in the
Haru no Ashioto series as one of the main heroines.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
15:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- Given her sourced involvement in the promotions for the Sentimental Graffiti franchise and the lead roles mentions above that's enough to meet WP:ENT. Changing vote to keep. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- She's also in the
Haru no Ashioto series as one of the main heroines.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
15:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- But even then, that's just two significant roles. Since when is Wind: A Breath of Heart considered to be notable? I honestly don't think that a voice actor that has only garnered two main roles is enough to warrant her own independent article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
01:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Appears to have sufficient roles for WP:Ent. SephyTheThird ( talk) 20:16, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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