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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:30, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Juani Feliz
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Contested PROD. Insufficient significant coverage for this WP:NACTOR-failing actress. Might be too soon to write about an actress that hasn't been nominated for or won an award for her work. Jalen Folf (talk) 03:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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- I appreciate this chance for discussion and don't believe this article merits deletion.
- First, the article speaks for itself on this actor's accomplishments and titles. Harlem is a major TV show and so is DMZ. It's also an accurate submission.
- Furthermore, the standards set out in Notability are not objectively enforced. Take for instance an article like this:
Tristen Walker. He's done absolutely nothing :D and yet I see no one deleting his article. I'm not saying he should be deleted, but I don't see why filling out Wikipedia's coverage about POC, queer actresses should be more scrutinized than the benchmark articles on this awesome site.
BubbleBub (
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- This is where I have to bring up
WP:NOTINHERITED; just because Feliz appeared in these works does not automatically make her notable.
Jalen Folf
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21:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- But the stipulation of NACTOR is: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. That is true for these shows/roles. BubbleBub ( talk) 07:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- This is where I have to bring up
WP:NOTINHERITED; just because Feliz appeared in these works does not automatically make her notable.
Jalen Folf
(talk)
21:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Like BubbleBub, I also don't believe this article merits deletion. You referred to this actress as a "failing actress." The information provided in the article seems accurate and properly supported by legitimate resources. I wouldn't categorize this actress as "failing" -- on the contrary, this young actress' accomplishments are quite impressive and more than sufficient to be considered "notable." Re: WP:NACTOR the actress/article in question has in fact had "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."
- Makes me wonder if there is discriminatory reasons behind your request for this article to be deleted. I think people will benefit from learning about this young lady who seems to be on the verge of becoming "notable" according to your standards. Most importantly, I would refrain from using such language on this platform -- a platform that stands strongly against bullying.
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- I did not say "failing actress", I said "notability-failing actress". Additionally, none of the sources you all have provided have Feliz as the focus, a requirement of WP:SIGCOV. Jalen Folf (talk) 00:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete - seems to be on the verge of passing
WP:NACTOR criteria 1, "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other production." Harlem and DMZ are both notable, but whether her roles in them are significant, I am not sure. They are certainly recurring roles, but I cannot find sourcing to demonstrate that these roles are significant. No indication of meeting GNG or ANYBIO. Seems like
WP:TOOSOON.
Samsmachado (
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02:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- I am curious if you have watched these shows to know if the roles are significant. BubbleBub ( talk) 07:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete She was in 5 episodes of the Amazon series, I wouldn't call her role as primary/significant. Whoopi was in one more episode than her and the character is only secondary. Her role in DMZ seems to be the wife of a minor character. She was apparently in Dr. Strange. They all seem to be bit parts.
Oaktree b (
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16:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- In DMZ she plays the wife of Parco, the antagonist of the series (as well as the comics it is based on), and is the step-mother of Skel, who is at the heart of the conflict of the series. She is a powerful figure within their community according to this article and this article. Her character also serves as a foil for the protagonist, Alma, who used to be married to Parco. JT: ( talk) 04:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Her role in Canal Street is discussed in a 2019 Chicago Sun-Times review and a 2019 Chicago Tribune review, she is described as a "series regular" in a 2019 Deadline report about Until The Wedding, described as part of an "ensemble cast" by a 2019 Variety report about Let Him Go, a "recurring guest star" in a 2021 Variety report about the docuseries Everybody Loves Natti, this 2021 Deadline report discusses her recurring role in Harlem and career highlights, and her role and highlights of her career are discussed in DMZ Cast, Character & Comic Comparison Guide (Screenrant, 2022), and she is described as a "guest star" in DMZ in a 2022 UPI report. I think there are sufficient independent and reliable sources about her, her roles, and career to support WP:ACTOR notability. Beccaynr ( talk) 02:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)- Keep - According to various sources, her character in the Amazon series Harlem becomes a potential new love interest for one of the lead characters, causing her to question her sexuality. Seems like she's expected to return for season 2. 2021Pop Culture, 2021 Screen Rant In DMZ she played a significant role within the family drama/love triangle between the series protagonist Alma and series antagonist Parco 2021 Deadline , 2021 Screen Rant. These are both recent high profile projects with renown Hollywood producers and directors. Agree that there are sufficient sources about her and her career to support WP:ACTOR notability. 108.53.147.230 ( talk) 17:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:30, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Juani Feliz
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Contested PROD. Insufficient significant coverage for this WP:NACTOR-failing actress. Might be too soon to write about an actress that hasn't been nominated for or won an award for her work. Jalen Folf (talk) 03:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Jalen Folf (talk) 03:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. Jalen Folf (talk) 03:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Jalen Folf (talk) 03:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sexuality and gender and New York. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I appreciate this chance for discussion and don't believe this article merits deletion.
- First, the article speaks for itself on this actor's accomplishments and titles. Harlem is a major TV show and so is DMZ. It's also an accurate submission.
- Furthermore, the standards set out in Notability are not objectively enforced. Take for instance an article like this:
Tristen Walker. He's done absolutely nothing :D and yet I see no one deleting his article. I'm not saying he should be deleted, but I don't see why filling out Wikipedia's coverage about POC, queer actresses should be more scrutinized than the benchmark articles on this awesome site.
BubbleBub (
talk)
17:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC) —
BubbleBub (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic.
- This is where I have to bring up
WP:NOTINHERITED; just because Feliz appeared in these works does not automatically make her notable.
Jalen Folf
(talk)
21:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- But the stipulation of NACTOR is: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. That is true for these shows/roles. BubbleBub ( talk) 07:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- This is where I have to bring up
WP:NOTINHERITED; just because Feliz appeared in these works does not automatically make her notable.
Jalen Folf
(talk)
21:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Like BubbleBub, I also don't believe this article merits deletion. You referred to this actress as a "failing actress." The information provided in the article seems accurate and properly supported by legitimate resources. I wouldn't categorize this actress as "failing" -- on the contrary, this young actress' accomplishments are quite impressive and more than sufficient to be considered "notable." Re: WP:NACTOR the actress/article in question has in fact had "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."
- Makes me wonder if there is discriminatory reasons behind your request for this article to be deleted. I think people will benefit from learning about this young lady who seems to be on the verge of becoming "notable" according to your standards. Most importantly, I would refrain from using such language on this platform -- a platform that stands strongly against bullying.
AvidLearner23 (
talk)
23:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC) —
AvidLearner23 (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic.
- I did not say "failing actress", I said "notability-failing actress". Additionally, none of the sources you all have provided have Feliz as the focus, a requirement of WP:SIGCOV. Jalen Folf (talk) 00:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete - seems to be on the verge of passing
WP:NACTOR criteria 1, "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other production." Harlem and DMZ are both notable, but whether her roles in them are significant, I am not sure. They are certainly recurring roles, but I cannot find sourcing to demonstrate that these roles are significant. No indication of meeting GNG or ANYBIO. Seems like
WP:TOOSOON.
Samsmachado (
talk)
02:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- I am curious if you have watched these shows to know if the roles are significant. BubbleBub ( talk) 07:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete She was in 5 episodes of the Amazon series, I wouldn't call her role as primary/significant. Whoopi was in one more episode than her and the character is only secondary. Her role in DMZ seems to be the wife of a minor character. She was apparently in Dr. Strange. They all seem to be bit parts.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- In DMZ she plays the wife of Parco, the antagonist of the series (as well as the comics it is based on), and is the step-mother of Skel, who is at the heart of the conflict of the series. She is a powerful figure within their community according to this article and this article. Her character also serves as a foil for the protagonist, Alma, who used to be married to Parco. JT: ( talk) 04:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Her role in Canal Street is discussed in a 2019 Chicago Sun-Times review and a 2019 Chicago Tribune review, she is described as a "series regular" in a 2019 Deadline report about Until The Wedding, described as part of an "ensemble cast" by a 2019 Variety report about Let Him Go, a "recurring guest star" in a 2021 Variety report about the docuseries Everybody Loves Natti, this 2021 Deadline report discusses her recurring role in Harlem and career highlights, and her role and highlights of her career are discussed in DMZ Cast, Character & Comic Comparison Guide (Screenrant, 2022), and she is described as a "guest star" in DMZ in a 2022 UPI report. I think there are sufficient independent and reliable sources about her, her roles, and career to support WP:ACTOR notability. Beccaynr ( talk) 02:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)- Keep - According to various sources, her character in the Amazon series Harlem becomes a potential new love interest for one of the lead characters, causing her to question her sexuality. Seems like she's expected to return for season 2. 2021Pop Culture, 2021 Screen Rant In DMZ she played a significant role within the family drama/love triangle between the series protagonist Alma and series antagonist Parco 2021 Deadline , 2021 Screen Rant. These are both recent high profile projects with renown Hollywood producers and directors. Agree that there are sufficient sources about her and her career to support WP:ACTOR notability. 108.53.147.230 ( talk) 17:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.