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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 12:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Joy Ballard
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Per WP:BIO1E Andrei S ( talk) 21:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2017 October 29. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 22:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete. No pass of any category of WP:Prof. Teachers are generally not notable and the little flurry of PR does not help with WP:GNG, which is WP:BLP1E anyway. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:50, 29 October 2017 (UTC).
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Xxanthippe, pinging to let you know that I did a bit of research on Ballard, made a few updates, added/updated citations including coverage of her in two different BBC articles (different years), and looked a bit more into her role in the reality TV series
Educating Cardiff. She was/is the principal (head teacher) of two different schools, has made highly notable changes in education, has the RS coverage needed to pass GNG, and is not a one eventer. All this BLP needs now is expansion using all the available resources.
Atsme
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📧 13:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your good work in tidying up the sources since I last looked. Your contributions to Wikipedia might be more productive if you you wrote about people with more intrinsic notability so that nobody has an excuse to drag them off to AfD. There are many women scientists who could be of interest. Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC).
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Xxanthippe, pinging to let you know that I did a bit of research on Ballard, made a few updates, added/updated citations including coverage of her in two different BBC articles (different years), and looked a bit more into her role in the reality TV series
Educating Cardiff. She was/is the principal (head teacher) of two different schools, has made highly notable changes in education, has the RS coverage needed to pass GNG, and is not a one eventer. All this BLP needs now is expansion using all the available resources.
Atsme
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📧 13:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 23:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - I spent some time researching Ballard and was surprised to see how much coverage she has received over the years. She was featured twice by the BBC, was featured on ITV, on radio, and had a starring in the reality series, Educating Cardiff. There are numerous other independent RS that have published articles about her. This BLP just needs expanding. Atsme 📞 📧 03:38, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Notable for more than just one event.-- Ipigott ( talk) 08:37, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per Atsme. Passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 16:32, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - looks like it's just a matter of beefing up the article to match the sources that can be found. - NsTaGaTr ( Talk) 20:31, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep -- being featured in a notable documentary adds to the encyclopedic relevance of the subject. The article is in an okay shape; an acceptable stub at this point, with decent enough sourcing. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:31, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Sources already present in the article showed a pass of WP:GNG (much more relevant than WP:PROF for most cases concerning schoolteachers) and the headline of the Independent article (already visible as a url in the version as nominated) makes clear that it is not a BIO1E case. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. I looked at the article, and thought "this can't be a keep", but a news search lit up with hits, so it seems she does indeed meet WP:GNG. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 12:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Joy Ballard
- Joy Ballard ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Per WP:BIO1E Andrei S ( talk) 21:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2017 October 29. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 22:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. No pass of any category of WP:Prof. Teachers are generally not notable and the little flurry of PR does not help with WP:GNG, which is WP:BLP1E anyway. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:50, 29 October 2017 (UTC).
-
Xxanthippe, pinging to let you know that I did a bit of research on Ballard, made a few updates, added/updated citations including coverage of her in two different BBC articles (different years), and looked a bit more into her role in the reality TV series
Educating Cardiff. She was/is the principal (head teacher) of two different schools, has made highly notable changes in education, has the RS coverage needed to pass GNG, and is not a one eventer. All this BLP needs now is expansion using all the available resources.
Atsme
📞
📧 13:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your good work in tidying up the sources since I last looked. Your contributions to Wikipedia might be more productive if you you wrote about people with more intrinsic notability so that nobody has an excuse to drag them off to AfD. There are many women scientists who could be of interest. Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC).
-
Xxanthippe, pinging to let you know that I did a bit of research on Ballard, made a few updates, added/updated citations including coverage of her in two different BBC articles (different years), and looked a bit more into her role in the reality TV series
Educating Cardiff. She was/is the principal (head teacher) of two different schools, has made highly notable changes in education, has the RS coverage needed to pass GNG, and is not a one eventer. All this BLP needs now is expansion using all the available resources.
Atsme
📞
📧 13:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 23:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - I spent some time researching Ballard and was surprised to see how much coverage she has received over the years. She was featured twice by the BBC, was featured on ITV, on radio, and had a starring in the reality series, Educating Cardiff. There are numerous other independent RS that have published articles about her. This BLP just needs expanding. Atsme 📞 📧 03:38, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Notable for more than just one event.-- Ipigott ( talk) 08:37, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per Atsme. Passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 16:32, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - looks like it's just a matter of beefing up the article to match the sources that can be found. - NsTaGaTr ( Talk) 20:31, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep -- being featured in a notable documentary adds to the encyclopedic relevance of the subject. The article is in an okay shape; an acceptable stub at this point, with decent enough sourcing. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:31, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Sources already present in the article showed a pass of WP:GNG (much more relevant than WP:PROF for most cases concerning schoolteachers) and the headline of the Independent article (already visible as a url in the version as nominated) makes clear that it is not a BIO1E case. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. I looked at the article, and thought "this can't be a keep", but a news search lit up with hits, so it seems she does indeed meet WP:GNG. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.