The result was delete. There is a clear consensus of established editors here that this article does not meet the notability guideline. The sources provided have been considered and there is agreement that they are unreliable/insufficient to establish notability. Davewild ( talk) 09:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Everything in the article seems true, but I'm having a very hard time finding independent sources. All books seem to be self published and his degree looks to be from an unaccredited school that might be a degree mill. Due to the lack of independent sources, I don't think the subject meets WP:N or WP:BIO but I'd be happy to be proven wrong... Hobit ( talk) 07:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Ladies and Gents, this discussion was brought to my attention and I wish to weigh in. As the owner of Fifth Estate, I grant permission of use and thus there are no copyright issues. Fifth Estate has published more than one hundred books, which are distributed world wide. At the writing of the note there are no less than 5 books in the top listings of their categories according to Amazon.com. The question then is, at what point does a small publishing company make the leap from self-publishing to main stream? Fifth Estate serves several hand picked authors, all of which are considered experts in their fields. To address the last issue, I have to say that if my degree was from a diploma mill I would not have the knowledge to produce books, which have been given good and positive reviews. Sadly, Battlefield Baptist was not a diploma mill, but it not longer exists. It was a Christian school, which attempted to expand to quickly and failed. If I can provide further information I would be happy to do so. Please contact me via our website. Thank you for your time. Joseph Lumpkin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.158.164 ( talk) 20:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Book reviews were done by Diglot, a scholarly review. http://diglot.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/review-the-books-of-enoch-joseph-lumpkin/
Thank you. If any other release documentation or information is needed, please contact me at my personal email address. josephlumpkin@hotmail.com
Major book sellers have catalogs posted as follows: Amazon.com
Books-A-Million http://www.booksamillion.com/search?id=4941507784117&query=Joseph+Lumkin&where=book_author&search.x=0&search.y=0
Other chains also carry our full catalog in Canada, India, South Africa, and other countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.158.164 ( talk) 14:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Here is yet another Wiki link referencing the author and one of his books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel)
There is no reason to believe me, beyond the first premise of WP, which is to assume good faith, but I did not author the article. If I had, the sources I am providing you now would have been included and we would likely not be involved in this subjective character trial. I have in no way attempted to influence the outcome other than to provide sources, which was the request stated in the banner of the article in question. Fulfilling the last request for information is where my involvement will cease now. Regarding the request for the specific articles in Tae Kwondo Times, I found only two of the three articles, which are May, 2003 and June, 2003. The first article states that a group representing Shinsei Hapkido had qualified to compete as part of the U.S. National Martial Arts Team in the World Cup event held in Mexico. The June Article states that the Shinsei Hapkido Team brought back multiple championships. These articles did not in any way dwell on me, only my students. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.158.164 ( talk) 15:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC) — 209.168.158.164 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
The result was delete. There is a clear consensus of established editors here that this article does not meet the notability guideline. The sources provided have been considered and there is agreement that they are unreliable/insufficient to establish notability. Davewild ( talk) 09:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Everything in the article seems true, but I'm having a very hard time finding independent sources. All books seem to be self published and his degree looks to be from an unaccredited school that might be a degree mill. Due to the lack of independent sources, I don't think the subject meets WP:N or WP:BIO but I'd be happy to be proven wrong... Hobit ( talk) 07:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Ladies and Gents, this discussion was brought to my attention and I wish to weigh in. As the owner of Fifth Estate, I grant permission of use and thus there are no copyright issues. Fifth Estate has published more than one hundred books, which are distributed world wide. At the writing of the note there are no less than 5 books in the top listings of their categories according to Amazon.com. The question then is, at what point does a small publishing company make the leap from self-publishing to main stream? Fifth Estate serves several hand picked authors, all of which are considered experts in their fields. To address the last issue, I have to say that if my degree was from a diploma mill I would not have the knowledge to produce books, which have been given good and positive reviews. Sadly, Battlefield Baptist was not a diploma mill, but it not longer exists. It was a Christian school, which attempted to expand to quickly and failed. If I can provide further information I would be happy to do so. Please contact me via our website. Thank you for your time. Joseph Lumpkin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.158.164 ( talk) 20:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Book reviews were done by Diglot, a scholarly review. http://diglot.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/review-the-books-of-enoch-joseph-lumpkin/
Thank you. If any other release documentation or information is needed, please contact me at my personal email address. josephlumpkin@hotmail.com
Major book sellers have catalogs posted as follows: Amazon.com
Books-A-Million http://www.booksamillion.com/search?id=4941507784117&query=Joseph+Lumkin&where=book_author&search.x=0&search.y=0
Other chains also carry our full catalog in Canada, India, South Africa, and other countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.158.164 ( talk) 14:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Here is yet another Wiki link referencing the author and one of his books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel)
There is no reason to believe me, beyond the first premise of WP, which is to assume good faith, but I did not author the article. If I had, the sources I am providing you now would have been included and we would likely not be involved in this subjective character trial. I have in no way attempted to influence the outcome other than to provide sources, which was the request stated in the banner of the article in question. Fulfilling the last request for information is where my involvement will cease now. Regarding the request for the specific articles in Tae Kwondo Times, I found only two of the three articles, which are May, 2003 and June, 2003. The first article states that a group representing Shinsei Hapkido had qualified to compete as part of the U.S. National Martial Arts Team in the World Cup event held in Mexico. The June Article states that the Shinsei Hapkido Team brought back multiple championships. These articles did not in any way dwell on me, only my students. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.158.164 ( talk) 15:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC) — 209.168.158.164 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply