The result was keep. Consensus is that the subject of the article is notable, although there is some debate over whether or not he should be documented in the parent band article or in a stand-alone article. If a merge is believed to be appropriate, it can, of course, be proposed and discussed in article talk space as set out at Help:Merge. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC) reply
'Lyrically, Courtney is very interested in dreams and often uses a "stream of consciousness" technique[6]'. Is this notable? Does it merit encyclopaedic entry? The citation leads to a Proboard fan's forum to which the band (PRR) contributes. The rest of the citations are to promotional band material, a fan's page - the same fan who wrote the original PRR page, incidentally - or social networking pages. Justpassinby ( talk) 09:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC) reply
What on earth could be so terrible about an encaeclopedia entry on the lead singer and song writer of a famous band, and in what way is he not notable? After reading several long paragraphs of unadulterated rant against this man and his band, (as well as checking for myself his verifiable history of vandalism and sockpuppetry), I'm surprised Justpassinby has the gall to accuse anyone else of being opinionated. Although I have no idea about what lies behind this rather insane grudge, it seems wrong to me that it could be used as an excuse to delete the page of someone who I know a lot of people have an interest in, and who is certainly more notable than many other subjects of wikipedia articles. Although the sources are rough (it is very difficult to find good ones), the content is all definitely true and there is no opinion factor at all. Thedarkfourth ( talk) 17:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC) reply
Please read
WP:MUSIC. This may clarify things. Also,
WP:NOT may help
Justpassinby (
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00:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
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Delete (or merge to PRR). I believe this to be a breach of WP:NOTABILITY, WP:MUSIC and WP:NOT. The content could be easily placed in the PRR article. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 02:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
I have read both those pages, and so I know that for composers and lyricists, the subject should have "credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition". Since Courtney has credit for writing the music and lyrics for several notable compositions, there seems to be no problems on these grounds. Thedarkfourth ( talk) 16:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
1. Has not had a verifiable entry in a national radio or indie hit chart. 2. Has not had any material recorded or performed by anyone but himself. 3. Has not had any composition played in rotation on a national radio channel. 4. Has no mass appeal or recognition. 5. You claim he is popular in Reading and London for his 'DJ sets' but not his compositions 6. The citation re Seymour Stein of Sire records is from a Velocity recordings page which in turn cites Jon Courtney as the source. A Google search of 'Jon Courtney turns up just one page...this one, and the subject does not have his own web presence. 7. You claim 'significant success and popularity', yet this subject has never headlined a tour (a criterion for musicians/bands) nor are his songs performed regularly or frequently.
I am happy to leave it to a referee too; let me just answer your points (or "facts"): 1. http://www.chartstats.com/songinfo.php?id=31682 2. This is not required under the terms of WP: MUSIC 3. This too is not required, though as I have pointed out his songs have appeared on national radio many times. 4. Your opinion only: I believe the opposite. 5. He is also popular for compositions, obviously, but recent DJ sets have only increased this: he is far more well known for his work with PRR. 6. I have no idea why you're talking about velocity recordings: they have nothing to do with Stein. If you want a reference to prove this particular point then read the following article from The Independent: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20060106/ai_n15995936 7. Again, not required, but since he has not pursued a solo career it would be very surprising if he had headlined a tour: with Pure Reason Revolution he has headlined many. Finally: Reserving wikipedia solely for huge multi-national names would defeat the point of an online encyclopedia, nor is it wikipedia's policy (as is demonstrated by the fact that it does not take much effort to find many articles here with subjects far less notable than Courtney). I would again express my hope that Justpassinby's record on this subject be taken into account in consideration of this article's deletion. Thedarkfourth ( talk) 16:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Consensus is that the subject of the article is notable, although there is some debate over whether or not he should be documented in the parent band article or in a stand-alone article. If a merge is believed to be appropriate, it can, of course, be proposed and discussed in article talk space as set out at Help:Merge. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC) reply
'Lyrically, Courtney is very interested in dreams and often uses a "stream of consciousness" technique[6]'. Is this notable? Does it merit encyclopaedic entry? The citation leads to a Proboard fan's forum to which the band (PRR) contributes. The rest of the citations are to promotional band material, a fan's page - the same fan who wrote the original PRR page, incidentally - or social networking pages. Justpassinby ( talk) 09:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC) reply
What on earth could be so terrible about an encaeclopedia entry on the lead singer and song writer of a famous band, and in what way is he not notable? After reading several long paragraphs of unadulterated rant against this man and his band, (as well as checking for myself his verifiable history of vandalism and sockpuppetry), I'm surprised Justpassinby has the gall to accuse anyone else of being opinionated. Although I have no idea about what lies behind this rather insane grudge, it seems wrong to me that it could be used as an excuse to delete the page of someone who I know a lot of people have an interest in, and who is certainly more notable than many other subjects of wikipedia articles. Although the sources are rough (it is very difficult to find good ones), the content is all definitely true and there is no opinion factor at all. Thedarkfourth ( talk) 17:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC) reply
Please read
WP:MUSIC. This may clarify things. Also,
WP:NOT may help
Justpassinby (
talk)
00:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
reply
Delete (or merge to PRR). I believe this to be a breach of WP:NOTABILITY, WP:MUSIC and WP:NOT. The content could be easily placed in the PRR article. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 02:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
I have read both those pages, and so I know that for composers and lyricists, the subject should have "credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition". Since Courtney has credit for writing the music and lyrics for several notable compositions, there seems to be no problems on these grounds. Thedarkfourth ( talk) 16:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
1. Has not had a verifiable entry in a national radio or indie hit chart. 2. Has not had any material recorded or performed by anyone but himself. 3. Has not had any composition played in rotation on a national radio channel. 4. Has no mass appeal or recognition. 5. You claim he is popular in Reading and London for his 'DJ sets' but not his compositions 6. The citation re Seymour Stein of Sire records is from a Velocity recordings page which in turn cites Jon Courtney as the source. A Google search of 'Jon Courtney turns up just one page...this one, and the subject does not have his own web presence. 7. You claim 'significant success and popularity', yet this subject has never headlined a tour (a criterion for musicians/bands) nor are his songs performed regularly or frequently.
I am happy to leave it to a referee too; let me just answer your points (or "facts"): 1. http://www.chartstats.com/songinfo.php?id=31682 2. This is not required under the terms of WP: MUSIC 3. This too is not required, though as I have pointed out his songs have appeared on national radio many times. 4. Your opinion only: I believe the opposite. 5. He is also popular for compositions, obviously, but recent DJ sets have only increased this: he is far more well known for his work with PRR. 6. I have no idea why you're talking about velocity recordings: they have nothing to do with Stein. If you want a reference to prove this particular point then read the following article from The Independent: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20060106/ai_n15995936 7. Again, not required, but since he has not pursued a solo career it would be very surprising if he had headlined a tour: with Pure Reason Revolution he has headlined many. Finally: Reserving wikipedia solely for huge multi-national names would defeat the point of an online encyclopedia, nor is it wikipedia's policy (as is demonstrated by the fact that it does not take much effort to find many articles here with subjects far less notable than Courtney). I would again express my hope that Justpassinby's record on this subject be taken into account in consideration of this article's deletion. Thedarkfourth ( talk) 16:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC) reply