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The result was keep under WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 05:54, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
John Dardess
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Subject was a non-notable academic, held no appointed chairs, died, and had obituaries written about him. This does not make him independently notable. A Google Books search turns up plenty of places where he has been cited, but this also does not make him independently notable. I did not find the kind of coverage that would qualify this person as notable per our guidelines. A loose necktie ( talk) 23:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Article creator here. As the author of nine books and a founder of Ming studies in the United States, I would think clearly meets Notability:author "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series);" The obituaries in the principal English-language journals of the field show this. Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 23:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC) I noted afterwards that one of his works, A Ming Society, an article i haven't been involved in, has a page. (I realise that doesn't clinch anything, but seems relevant). Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 23:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, History, China, and New York. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep "Morris Rossabi of City University of New York described Dardess as "one of the most distinguished historians of traditional China"." Rossabi, Morris (1997). "Review of A Ming Society: Tai-ho County, Kiangsi, in the Fourteenth to Seventeenth Centuries". Journal of Asian History. Andre 🚐 07:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NAUTHOR. A cursory Jstor search shows plenty of reviews in reliable independent sources of his books, e.g. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Citation numbers are also high for a "book field". Looks like a failure of WP:BEFORE? Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 07:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:NAUTHOR, as described by above editors. Onel5969 TT me 10:02, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 14:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NAUTHOR per the above. The many book reviews and obituaries published in scholarly journals testify to this author's significant body of work and impact on his field. Topshelver ( talk) 15:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Easy pass of WP:AUTHOR and WP:GNG. I added many book reviews to the article. — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:AUTHOR Lightburst ( talk) 02:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Due to sources mentioned by Russ Woodroofe. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep under WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 05:54, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
John Dardess
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Subject was a non-notable academic, held no appointed chairs, died, and had obituaries written about him. This does not make him independently notable. A Google Books search turns up plenty of places where he has been cited, but this also does not make him independently notable. I did not find the kind of coverage that would qualify this person as notable per our guidelines. A loose necktie ( talk) 23:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Article creator here. As the author of nine books and a founder of Ming studies in the United States, I would think clearly meets Notability:author "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series);" The obituaries in the principal English-language journals of the field show this. Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 23:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC) I noted afterwards that one of his works, A Ming Society, an article i haven't been involved in, has a page. (I realise that doesn't clinch anything, but seems relevant). Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 23:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, History, China, and New York. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep "Morris Rossabi of City University of New York described Dardess as "one of the most distinguished historians of traditional China"." Rossabi, Morris (1997). "Review of A Ming Society: Tai-ho County, Kiangsi, in the Fourteenth to Seventeenth Centuries". Journal of Asian History. Andre 🚐 07:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NAUTHOR. A cursory Jstor search shows plenty of reviews in reliable independent sources of his books, e.g. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Citation numbers are also high for a "book field". Looks like a failure of WP:BEFORE? Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 07:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:NAUTHOR, as described by above editors. Onel5969 TT me 10:02, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 14:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NAUTHOR per the above. The many book reviews and obituaries published in scholarly journals testify to this author's significant body of work and impact on his field. Topshelver ( talk) 15:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Easy pass of WP:AUTHOR and WP:GNG. I added many book reviews to the article. — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:AUTHOR Lightburst ( talk) 02:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Due to sources mentioned by Russ Woodroofe. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.